TIS (traffic information service)

Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote:

Here's a good TIS map that includes the ones scheduled to be shut down.

http://www.garmin.com/aviation/tis.jsp

Yep, a lot of my flying is in that big blue blob over the northeast US so
TIS serves my well.

--
Peter

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:45:03 -0400, Peter R. wrote:

Yep, a lot of my flying is in that big blue blob over the northeast US so
TIS serves my well.

But the question facing me (and my fellow partners): would you buy TIS
*today* given the FAA's emphasis on ADS-B and TIS-B?

Note that they just brought online more of PA:

http://www.flttechonline.com/Current...o%20Expand.htm
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...0817ads-b.html

- Andrew
http://flyingclub.org/

Andrew Gideon wrote:
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:45:03 -0400, Peter R. wrote:

Yep, a lot of my flying is in that big blue blob over the northeast US so
TIS serves my well.

But the question facing me (and my fellow partners): would you buy TIS
*today* given the FAA's emphasis on ADS-B and TIS-B?
snip

The question isn't whether you should buy TIS. It's whether you should
buy a Mode-S transponder, because that's the primary difference between
the 327 and 330. TIS is just a perk of moving to Mode-S, and it was
specifically designed that way to encourage pilots to move to Mode-S
when it became clear they would not otherwise willingly adopt the new,
more costly, technology.

The FAA is continuing to invest in Mode-S radars (the ASR-11 is
replacing the ASR 7, 8, and 9 units that currently support TIS), so an
investment in the airborne component is still a wise move and will be
for MANY years.

Oh, and don't believe the hype out of Blakley's mouth for a second.
ADS-B is not being deployed so they can "decommission radar". That will
not happen in our lifetime due to security concerns. I fear that the
*real* reason the FAA is pushing ADS-B is for billing purposes. With
the kind of reliable and accurate position data facilitiated by ADS-B,
they could charge us by the mile.

-Doug

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Doug Vetter, ATP/CFI

http://www.dvatp.com
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:34:27 -0400, Doug Vetter
wrote in :

Oh, and don't believe the hype out of Blakley's mouth for a second.
ADS-B is not being deployed so they can "decommission radar". That will
not happen in our lifetime due to security concerns.

I'm happy to hear, that someone thought about that. It would be a
simple matter to spoof the positional data I would think.

I fear that the *real* reason the FAA is pushing ADS-B is for billing purposes.

I would guess the reason has as much to do with compatibility with the
ATC system products of Boeing and LockMart.

With the kind of reliable and accurate position data facilitiated by ADS-B,
they could charge us by the mile.

Not if we don't let Congress out of oversight responsibilities for FAA
funding.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:34:27 -0400, Doug Vetter wrote:

The FAA is continuing to invest in Mode-S radars (the ASR-11 is replacing
the ASR 7, 8, and 9 units that currently support TIS), so an investment in
the airborne component is still a wise move and will be for MANY years.

Aside from TIS, what is the benefit (either to the pilot or ATC) of mode S?

- Andrew

The FAA is continuing to invest in Mode-S radars (the ASR-11 is replacing
the ASR 7, 8, and 9 units that currently support TIS),



11's are not replacing 9's. They are a stripped down 9.



so an investment in
the airborne component is still a wise move and will be for MANY years.


The FAA is installing new radars but they leave out the software that
supports TIS. That's what happened to us. We had a 7 with mode S and
TIS was operastional. We upgraded the radar to an 11 but they do not
install TIS stuff in the radar.

In article ,
Newps wrote:


11's are not replacing 9's. They are a stripped down 9.

I don't recall the ARS-11 being a derivative of the -9.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
Newps wrote:


11's are not replacing 9's. They are a stripped down 9.


I don't recall the ARS-11 being a derivative of the -9.


It's the K Mart version of the 9.

Andrew Gideon wrote:




Aside from TIS, what is the benefit (either to the pilot or ATC) of mode S?


To ATC? Nuthin' I wouldn't know if you had one.

Newps,

To ATC? Nuthin' I wouldn't know if you had one.


Ah, the broad view of the American ;-)

In Europe, Mode S equipment is becoming mandatory solely for ATC
reasons. There is no TIS here. ATC stations with the proper equipment
can do "selective" calls (hence mode S) interrogating only specific
aircraft. This leads to less congestion on the secondary radar
frequency, which, Eurocontrol tells us, is a serious problem with Mode
A/C. They claim to be running out of transponder codes, for example.
More info via google...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)