CRJ crash at KLEX:

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
...
Are you sure? The preliminary NTSB report gives the time as 6:07 EDT. An
online calculator gives the time of sunrise at KLEX on that date as 6:04:37
AM.


I’m in the same time zone, and Lexington is SSW of me. At 6 AM,
it is rather dark outside where I live (6:48 sunrise per Weather
Channel), and it gets darker going west. 7:06 per Weather
Channel for KLEX works for me.

Fred F.

Not sure of anything, Steve, but follow my logic along here, willya?

I'm roughly in the middle of the Western time zone. Lexington is right on
the western border of the Eastern time zone.

Therefore, sunrise is going to happen "later" for Lexington (with respect to
their time zone) than it is for me.

My local newspaper gives today's sunrise as 6:31. Since each time zone is
pretty nearly one hour in width, Lexington's sunrise is going to be about
half an hour "later" (in their time zone) than mine.

Adding half an hour to my time zone gives roughly 7 am as sunrise in
Lexington, just about what the rest of the gang is saying. My best guess is
that they began their departure about an hour before sunrise.

And, after sunrise, I doubt that the taped comment about the runway lights
being inop would have been made. Runway lights after sunrise don't
generally generate comments.

And, the paint stripes down the sides of the (according to Airnav) cracked
concrete runway in poor condition would have given them pause for thought,
as would the absence of ILS painting on the runway, as would the end of the
runway rushing up to meet them might have been a clue.

My best guess is that the poor *******s made it a "normal" departure with a
rotation at V1 as opposed to horsing that sucker off when it became apparent
that they had made a pretty bad error. The tape might bear me out on what I
think, is that they didn't know they had a minor problem until they took out
the boundary fence and a major problem until they hit the trees.

Jim



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...

About one hour prior to sunrise.


Are you sure? The preliminary NTSB report gives the time as 6:07 EDT. An
online calculator gives the time of sunrise at KLEX on that date as
6:04:37 AM.

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...

Not sure of anything, Steve, but follow my logic along here, willya?

I'm roughly in the middle of the Western time zone. Lexington is right on
the western border of the Eastern time zone.

Therefore, sunrise is going to happen "later" for Lexington (with respect
to their time zone) than it is for me.

My local newspaper gives today's sunrise as 6:31. Since each time zone is
pretty nearly one hour in width, Lexington's sunrise is going to be about
half an hour "later" (in their time zone) than mine.

Adding half an hour to my time zone gives roughly 7 am as sunrise in
Lexington, just about what the rest of the gang is saying. My best guess
is that they began their departure about an hour before sunrise.

And, after sunrise, I doubt that the taped comment about the runway lights
being inop would have been made. Runway lights after sunrise don't
generally generate comments.


It appears the online sunrise calculator I used is off by one hour.

"Aluckyguess" wrote:

Looking at that diagram I see how easy it would of been to do what they did.
WOW
Here's a diagram dated 08/03/2006:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

Don't agree with you Barry. They should have seen that you taxi
rightish from the terminal past Rwy 26 then either one (apparently
from pics) of two taxiways to Rwy 22. Even I can do that.

Ron Lee

You're contradicting yourself. It would have been a general question
without the quoted material, but the quoted material was there.

The question is what it is. It is a general question.

Jose
--
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

No prob. We had a crash in the dark, not even twilight an hour before
sunrise.

Jim


It appears the online sunrise calculator I used is off by one hour.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html



U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department


Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Lexington, Fayette
County, Kentucky (longitude W84.5, latitude N38.1):

Sunday
27 August 2006 Eastern Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:36 a.m.
Sunrise 7:03 a.m.
Sun transit 1:39 p.m.
Sunset 8:15 p.m.
End civil twilight 8:42 p.m.

MOON
Moonset 9:33 p.m. on preceding
day
Moonrise 10:34 a.m.
Moon transit 4:19 p.m.
Moonset 9:54 p.m.
Moonrise 11:34 a.m. on following
day

Phase of the Moon on 27 August: waxing crescent with 13%
of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

New Moon on 23 August 2006 at 3:10 p.m. Eastern Daylight
Time.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Census Bureau map of Lexington area





--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
in message
nk.net...
|
| "Ron Lee" wrote in message
| ...
|
| My sunrise program fives 706 AM for today and Airnav.com
gives 7:07
| AM. Verify time zone. (UTC-4)
|
|
| It doesn't request the time zone as input or provide it in
the output. I
| believe the only input was the date and the location. I
used KLEX as the
| location and it provided a time of 6:04:37 AM as the time
of sunrise.
|
|

"Jose" wrote in message
m...

The question is what it is. It is a general question.


You're wrong.

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department


Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Lexington, Fayette
County, Kentucky (longitude W84.5, latitude N38.1):

Sunday
27 August 2006 Eastern Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:36 a.m.
Sunrise 7:03 a.m.
Sun transit 1:39 p.m.
Sunset 8:15 p.m.
End civil twilight 8:42 p.m.

MOON
Moonset 9:33 p.m. on preceding
day
Moonrise 10:34 a.m.
Moon transit 4:19 p.m.
Moonset 9:54 p.m.
Moonrise 11:34 a.m. on following
day

Phase of the Moon on 27 August: waxing crescent with 13%
of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

New Moon on 23 August 2006 at 3:10 p.m. Eastern Daylight
Time.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Census Bureau map of Lexington area





"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
in message
nk.net...
|
| "Ron Lee" wrote in message
| ...
|
| About one hour prior to sunrise.
|
|
| Are you sure? The preliminary NTSB report gives the time
as 6:07 EDT. An
| online calculator gives the time of sunrise at KLEX on
that date as 6:04:37
| AM.
|
|

You're wrong.

No, you're wrong.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.