The Comair crash reminds me...

"Newps" wrote in message
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Nope. One guy in the tower. The FAA has already admitted that they broke
their own rules by having only one controller staffed when the policy
requires a minimum of two at all times, at all facilities. They will
probably hang the tower manager as a scapegoat.

Yeah, I saw that. It wasn't clear to me the policy violation had anything
to do with the accident though. As the news explained it, the policy was to
have a radar controller in addition to the tower controller. They also say
that the tower controller was distracted doing a "traffic count". AFAIK,
having a radar controller on duty wouldn't have affected that.

Or is a traffic count something that the radar controller would have done?

Pete

"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.




Peter Duniho wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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Nope. One guy in the tower. The FAA has already admitted that they broke
their own rules by having only one controller staffed when the policy
requires a minimum of two at all times, at all facilities. They will
probably hang the tower manager as a scapegoat.


Yeah, I saw that. It wasn't clear to me the policy violation had anything
to do with the accident though. As the news explained it, the policy was to
have a radar controller in addition to the tower controller. They also say
that the tower controller was distracted doing a "traffic count". AFAIK,
having a radar controller on duty wouldn't have affected that.

Or is a traffic count something that the radar controller would have done?

Pete

Newps wrote:

"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.

Traffic count at 6 AM on Sunday? yea right.

Ron Lee




Peter Duniho wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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Nope. One guy in the tower. The FAA has already admitted that they broke
their own rules by having only one controller staffed when the policy
requires a minimum of two at all times, at all facilities. They will
probably hang the tower manager as a scapegoat.


Yeah, I saw that. It wasn't clear to me the policy violation had anything
to do with the accident though. As the news explained it, the policy was to
have a radar controller in addition to the tower controller. They also say
that the tower controller was distracted doing a "traffic count". AFAIK,
having a radar controller on duty wouldn't have affected that.

Or is a traffic count something that the radar controller would have done?

Pete

Ron Lee wrote:
Newps wrote:


"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.


Traffic count at 6 AM on Sunday? yea right.


Traffic is normally counted at the top of every hour, for those
facilities where it is not automated, and entered into the computer.
Between 12 and 2 am the days traffic count has to be entered into a
separate program and then sent to Wahington.

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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Traffic count at 6 AM on Sunday? yea right.


Disbelief? Traffic is counted at hourly intervals. The accident occurred
just after the hour.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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Traffic count at 6 AM on Sunday? yea right.


Disbelief? Traffic is counted at hourly intervals. The accident occurred
just after the hour.


Disbelief that there is a significant amount of traffic at that time
to result in a major workload.

Ron Lee

In article ,
Newps wrote:

"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.

as is "I was on the landline"

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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as is "I was on the landline"


It can be. But landline calls are made, and traffic is counted.

Bob Noel wrote:
In article ,
Newps wrote:

"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.

as is "I was on the landline"

A friend and I in college bet on how many times tower would tell us that
in one flight.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:56:10 -0600, Newps wrote:
Nope. One guy in the tower. The FAA has already admitted that they
broke their own rules by having only one controller staffed when the
policy requires a minimum of two at all times, at all facilities. They
will probably hang the tower manager as a scapegoat.

Nawh, it'll be the PIC as always... Maybe a couple of other
contributing factors, but in the end, the PIC will take the hit... As
far as the FAA is concerned, it all boils down to something like,
"Well, you didn't *have* to fly that day"... sick-grin