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Old August 30th 06, 03:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
HL Falbaum
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Default Glider Crash - Minden?

We know how to recognize a thermaling glider from far off. But the glider
can disappear during two parts of the circle even when we know where to
look. And the jet jock probably does not know what to look for or to
understand the significance of what (s)he sees.

A thermalling glider has a moving blind spot that may be 15 seconds or more.
Not much-but how much distance can a bizjet cover in 15 seconds? Remember to
increase the TAS (and thus GS) by 2% per thousand feet over and above the
IAS.---The jet can go from a speck to very big in that distance.

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"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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kirk.stant wrote:
Hmm, the glider is thermalling - probably the easiest thing in the air
to see from another aircraft approaching.


A thermalling glider should be able to see approaching aircraft more
easily, too. Quite different from being run down by a faster aircraft
coming up behind. We probably shouldn't be too smug at this point, until
we know the facts for sure.

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Old August 30th 06, 06:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell[_1_]
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Default Glider Crash - Minden?

HL Falbaum wrote:
We know how to recognize a thermaling glider from far off. But the glider
can disappear during two parts of the circle even when we know where to
look. And the jet jock probably does not know what to look for or to
understand the significance of what (s)he sees.

A thermalling glider has a moving blind spot that may be 15 seconds or more.
Not much-but how much distance can a bizjet cover in 15 seconds? Remember to
increase the TAS (and thus GS) by 2% per thousand feet over and above the
IAS.---The jet can go from a speck to very big in that distance.


Yes, and even worse, the glider goes from a tiny speck to not very big
in the same distance. It's a tough situation for see-and-avoid.


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Old August 31st 06, 04:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
SAM 303a
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Default Glider Crash - Minden?

And isn't this point the reason one might question the prudence of flying so
fast in such an area?
What are the responsibilities of the jet pilot? If the pilot must yeild to
the glider, isn't the jet pilot being irresponsible if she flies at a speed
that allows her no opportunity to yeild?

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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HL Falbaum wrote:
A thermalling glider has a moving blind spot that may be 15 seconds or

more.
Not much-but how much distance can a bizjet cover in 15 seconds?

Remember to
increase the TAS (and thus GS) by 2% per thousand feet over and above

the
IAS.---The jet can go from a speck to very big in that distance.


Yes, and even worse, the glider goes from a tiny speck to not very big
in the same distance. It's a tough situation for see-and-avoid.


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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA

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Operation"



 




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