Is an IPC a substitute for 6 approaches?

Here is more from the FAA
http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_i...dia/PART08.doc

Scroll to para 8.4.1.10



"Jim Macklin" wrote
in message news:50tJg.6438$SZ3.1037@dukeread04...
| see
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http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/e...ncy%20check%22
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| Which say in part...
| (b) an IFR currency record, a copy of
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| logbook endorsement for 14 CFR § 61.57 instrument
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| competency check, or a record of instrument currency
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| (6 hours and 6 approaches) obtained within the past
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| 6 months.
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| "Gary Drescher" wrote in message
| . ..
|| "Bill Zaleski" wrote in
| message
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|| FAR 61.57 (d) sets the requirements to act as PIC if
| (c) is not met.
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|| No, it asserts *a* requirement that has to be met if (c)
| is not met (or
|| rather, if c has not been met for six months).
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|| It does not state that (c) must also be met.
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|| Of course not. Why should (d) reaffirm (c)? Or reaffirm
| any other FARs? The
|| point is that nothing says that (c) *doesn't* still have
| to be met.
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|| In general, you're required to obey *every* regulation.
| You can't decide
|| that because you're complying with one, you can ignore
| another one (unless
|| the wording explicitly says that).
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|| (d) is the controlling paragraph for one out of
| currency, not (c).
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|| There's nothing in the FARs that says (c) doesn't apply
| too.
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|| (d) takes over and stands alone.
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|| But it doesn't say that anywhere in the FARs.
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|| This is how it was explained to me.
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|| Did the explainers say how they arrived at their
| interpretation that (d)
|| sets forth a substitute requirement rather than an
| additional requirement?
|| If so, would you tell us their explanation?
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|| If one can assume that 6 approches are also
|| needed, then the verbiage of (d) could also be
construed
| to mean that
|| you must be 6 months out of currency in order to do an
| IPC.
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|| How would that follow? Where does (d) say that?
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|| There are questions in the instrument knowledge test
| question pool
|| whose correct answers support this. The faq's, that by
| letter of
|| memorandum were once stated as FAA policy, used to
| support this.
|| Advisory Circular 61-98A, although out of date,
supports
| this.
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|| It may well be that the FAA takes that position. All I'm
| saying is that if
|| so, they're contradicting what the FARs clearly state.
||
|| --Gary
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Here is more from the FAA
http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_i...dia/PART08.doc

Scroll to para 8.4.1.10

It says...

8.4.1.10 PILOT CURRENCY: IFR OPERATIONS
(a) No person may act as PIC under IFR, nor in IMC, unless he or she has, within the past 6 calendar months—
(1) Logged at least 6 hours of instrument flight time including at least 3 hours in flight in the category of aircraft; and
(2) Completed at least 6 instrument approaches.
(b) A pilot who has completed an instrument competency check with an authorised representative of the Authority retains currency for IFR operations for 6 calendar months following that check.

14 CFR: 61.57(c)

I note that it says "retains" and not "regains". If instrument currency
is lost prior to an ICC (now called IPC, no?), "retains" would not be
sufficient. "Regains" would be necessary.

I also note they refer to 61.57(c), and not (d), which involves the IPC.

Years ago, before the USGPO decided that the pages were
printed on solid gold, I subscribed to the FARs. It took 4
4 inch ring binders for parts 61 and 91, there were at least
a dozen pages of comments for each regulation...why it was
needed, what it meant and what the NPRM comments had said
and any revision made in response. Just reading a two or
three sentence regulation is only a small part of the law.

Alas, it's the part we're supposed to follow. Is this "full FAR" thing
available online?

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Follow what we say. An IPC [the name change did not change
the application, just the required content, the ICC could be
one approach]. Look in the Congressional Record or in the
FAA sites archives.
"Jose" wrote in message
et...
| Here is more from the FAA
|
http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_i...dia/PART08.doc
|
| Scroll to para 8.4.1.10
|
| It says...
|
| 8.4.1.10 PILOT CURRENCY: IFR OPERATIONS
| (a) No person may act as PIC under IFR, nor in IMC,
unless he or she has, within the past 6 calendar months—
| (1) Logged at least 6 hours of instrument flight time
including at least 3 hours in flight in the category of
aircraft; and
| (2) Completed at least 6 instrument approaches.
| (b) A pilot who has completed an instrument competency
check with an authorised representative of the Authority
retains currency for IFR operations for 6 calendar months
following that check.
|
| 14 CFR: 61.57(c)
|
| I note that it says "retains" and not "regains". If
instrument currency
| is lost prior to an ICC (now called IPC, no?), "retains"
would not be
| sufficient. "Regains" would be necessary.
|
| I also note they refer to 61.57(c), and not (d), which
involves the IPC.
|
| Years ago, before the USGPO decided that the pages were
| printed on solid gold, I subscribed to the FARs. It
took 4
| 4 inch ring binders for parts 61 and 91, there were at
least
| a dozen pages of comments for each regulation...why it
was
| needed, what it meant and what the NPRM comments had
said
| and any revision made in response. Just reading a two
or
| three sentence regulation is only a small part of the
law.
|
| Alas, it's the part we're supposed to follow. Is this
"full FAR" thing
| available online?
|
| Jose
| --
| The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the
music.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.