CRJ crash at KLEX:

"Ron Lee" wrote in message

James is correct. FAA diagram he

I think not. The google aerial photos are the older reference, taken some
3-4 years ago. My interpretation is this: Since that time, the threshold
of Rwy 22 has been displaced some 600 ft SW, leaving what appears to be
designated as an overrun for Rwy 04. It appears the taxiway leading to it
from the end of Rwy 22 has been closed. The fed taxi chart appears to only
sow those areas of pavement open for use. I can't vouch for the
administrative points, but the photos and diagrams bear out my theory.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:33:25 GMT, Bob Moore
wrote:

Ron Natalie wrote

Bob Moore wrote:
Compasses...CHECKED Both pilots will cross check compasses against
takeoff-runway heading.

Are these whiskey compasses or gyros?

Horizontal Situation Indicators (HSI), gyro stabilized and
slaved from Flux Gate Compasses.

Bob Moore

Thanks very much, Bob. I hope the NTSB releases the transcript of the
CVR tape soon so we can see what procedures the Comair crew followed.

Best,

Tom

"John Gaquin" wrote:


"Ron Lee" wrote in message

James is correct. FAA diagram he

I think not. The google aerial photos are the older reference, taken
some 3-4 years ago. My interpretation is this: Since that time, the
threshold of Rwy 22 has been displaced some 600 ft SW, leaving what
appears to be designated as an overrun for Rwy 04. It appears the
taxiway leading to it from the end of Rwy 22 has been closed. The
fed taxi chart appears to only sow those areas of pavement open for
use. I can't vouch for the administrative points, but the photos and
diagrams bear out my theory.

Which is what I said. You perhaps have mixed up who said what in this
thread.

In article ,
"John Gaquin" wrote:

"Ron Lee" wrote in message

James is correct. FAA diagram he

I think not. The google aerial photos are the older reference, taken some
3-4 years ago. My interpretation is this: Since that time, the threshold
of Rwy 22 has been displaced some 600 ft SW, leaving what appears to be
designated as an overrun for Rwy 04. It appears the taxiway leading to it
from the end of Rwy 22 has been closed. The fed taxi chart appears to only
sow those areas of pavement open for use. I can't vouch for the
administrative points, but the photos and diagrams bear out my theory.

Remember that while the threshhold is displaced, the pavement behind the
displacement (original runway threshhold) is still available for takeoff.

B A R R Y wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:49:21 GMT, john smith wrote:

Remember that while the threshhold is displaced, the pavement behind the
displacement (original runway threshhold) is still available for takeoff.

It can also be easier to see the numbers from the cockpit when the
threshold is displaced. Instead of sitting on the runway numbers at
the start of a takeoff roll, they're now ahead of you, at the
displaced threshold line.

Even without the displaced threshold, they runway numbers are not
at the very end of the runway on an ILS runway. There's the
piano keys first.

"James Robinson" wrote in message

Which is what I said. You perhaps have mixed up who said what in this
thread.

Neither of my posts was a response to anything you said. Check the thread
sequence.

"john smith" wrote in message news:jsmith-


Remember that while the threshhold is displaced, the pavement behind the
displacement (original runway threshhold) is still available for takeoff.

Only if so designated by the airport authority or FAA iaw applicable
policies. Recent aerial video of the airport shot since the crash show that
the displaced paved area of the approach end of Rwy 22 is painted with
yellow chevron striping. Iirc, this indicates that the area is NOT usable
for taxi, takeoff, or landing.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
. ..

"john smith" wrote in message news:jsmith-


Remember that while the threshhold is displaced, the pavement behind the
displacement (original runway threshhold) is still available for takeoff.

Only if so designated by the airport authority or FAA iaw applicable
policies. Recent aerial video of the airport shot since the crash show
that the displaced paved area of the approach end of Rwy 22 is painted
with yellow chevron striping. Iirc, this indicates that the area is NOT
usable for taxi, takeoff, or landing.


Not Suitable For Taxi, Takeoff Or Landing
-- -- -- Suitable for Taxi and Takeoff but NOT Landing

Sorry for the bad graphics...

Jay B

"John Gaquin" wrote:


"James Robinson" wrote in message

Which is what I said. You perhaps have mixed up who said what in
this thread.

Neither of my posts was a response to anything you said. Check the
thread sequence.

Here is a quote from your previous response:

James is correct. FAA diagram he

I think not. ...

Sure looks like you were responding to something I said.

"James Robinson" wrote in message

Here is a quote from your previous response:

James is correct. FAA diagram he

I think not. ...

Sure looks like you were responding to something I said.

sigh try to follow, now....

What you said was accurate in itself -- the diagram doesn't show the other
taxiway.

To which john smith added... "The diagram has not been updated to show the
newly added 600 foot ....."

To which I replied "...Quite the opposite, I think...." [because there
was no newly added, etc etc]

At which point Ron Bell said "...James is correct. FAA diagram he"
which clearly means, for those for whom interpretation is needed, "James is
correct for the reasons shown in the FAA diagram here", which, of course,
was inaccurate on Ron's part.

And I said "I think not..." You were correct because what you said was
accurate, but the diagram and photo don't demonstrate any new area at all.
Its the diagram and the photos and the notion of a newly added piece of
pavement that were being discussed.