No more "Left Downwind"?

In article YQ5Kg.1700$8J2.666@fed1read11,
"BTIZ" wrote:

"Every "local" pilot may know the traffic is left or right.."
But how many transients do not (1) check the charting (2) look it up in the
AFD or (3) pay attention to what everyone else is doing.

How is right or left traffic depicted on a Sectional Chart?

left is standard.. right traffic is on the chart with annotations for the
airport along with the airport elevation, lighting, runway length and
frequency.. as in

JEAN (0L7)
2832 *L 46 122.9
RP 2R 20R

or

Sky Ranch (3L2)
2599 - 33 123.0
RP 12

BT

"john smith" wrote in message
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In article YQ5Kg.1700$8J2.666@fed1read11,
"BTIZ" wrote:

"Every "local" pilot may know the traffic is left or right.."
But how many transients do not (1) check the charting (2) look it up in
the
AFD or (3) pay attention to what everyone else is doing.

How is right or left traffic depicted on a Sectional Chart?

left is standard.. right traffic is on the chart with annotations for the
airport along with the airport elevation, lighting, runway length and
frequency.. as in
JEAN (0L7)
2832 *L 46 122.9
RP 2R 20R
or
Sky Ranch (3L2)
2599 - 33 123.0
RP 12

Interesting. I have never seen it.

"john smith" wrote in message
...
left is standard.. right traffic is on the chart with annotations for the
airport along with the airport elevation, lighting, runway length and
frequency.. as in
JEAN (0L7)
2832 *L 46 122.9
RP 2R 20R
or
Sky Ranch (3L2)
2599 - 33 123.0
RP 12

Interesting. I have never seen it.

Does that mean you never go into an airport with a designated right had
traffic pattern?
Or does that mean that you never look at your charts?

just kidding..
BT

In article xrhKg.2053$8J2.265@fed1read11,
"BTIZ" wrote:

"john smith" wrote in message
...
left is standard.. right traffic is on the chart with annotations for the
airport along with the airport elevation, lighting, runway length and
frequency.. as in
JEAN (0L7)
2832 *L 46 122.9
RP 2R 20R
or
Sky Ranch (3L2)
2599 - 33 123.0
RP 12

Interesting. I have never seen it.

Does that mean you never go into an airport with a designated right had
traffic pattern?
Or does that mean that you never look at your charts?

Anyone who has overflown Ohio knows that, with the exception of
southeast Ohio, you are rarely outside gliding distance of a suitable or
established landing area.
Ohio has several hundred public use and private airfields spread across
the Cincinnati and Detriot Sections.

Out of couriosity, I grabbed a chart. Looking at the Cincinnati
Sectional I found four in the southern half of Ohio. One local, the
other three 70-90 nm away. Three I knew had RP's and the fourth is a
grass stip down beside the Ohio River across from Huntington WV.
- Greater Portsmouth/KPMH has a tall hill on the west side.
- Middletown Hook/KMWO has no obstructions, they just want the traffic
over the river instead of over the town.
- Newlon/I41 has a couple tall towers on the other side of the river.
- Columbus Southwest/04I is adjacent to Darby Dan/6I6

On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:29:37 -0700, "BTIZ"
wrote:


"john smith" wrote in message
...
left is standard.. right traffic is on the chart with annotations for the
airport along with the airport elevation, lighting, runway length and
frequency.. as in
JEAN (0L7)
2832 *L 46 122.9
RP 2R 20R
or
Sky Ranch (3L2)
2599 - 33 123.0
RP 12

Interesting. I have never seen it.

Does that mean you never go into an airport with a designated right had
traffic pattern?
Or does that mean that you never look at your charts?

Charts? You carry charts?

Out of 60 pilots at proficiency training only one had up-to-date
sectionals. Many didn't have any and these are people flying expensive
singles and twins for the most part.

A couple years back, maybe 3 or 4, I was coming into the local airport
from the north to join down wind for 06. Just about the time I
announced I was turning down wind for 06 so did another plane. This
really gets your attention and no matter what attitude I put the plane
in I could not see him and I was checking both sides of the runway. I
asked "where are you" several times and he dutifully replied, "down
wind for 06" and began to sound a bit peeved by the third time I
asked. I was on base before I finally found him. He had been on an
up wind (why I don't know) and no more than a short city block from
the runway. He did a U-turn around the departure end of 06 and flew
down wind no more than a hundred yards from the runway. He might
have been as high as 200 feet. Maybe 300 over the houses and fair
grounds. (I hadn't been looking that low and he was pretty well
camouflaged against the back ground) I was coming down final when he
made a sudden U-turn from down wind to final right in front of me.
Good thing the Deb is predictable as slow speed.

In the time I could do a 360, and get back on final he'd picked up a
passenger, pulled out in front of me *again* and departed. At least
the second time I didn't have to go around although giving chase did
cross my mine. :-)) Several other options also crossed my mind, but
I dismissed them all as I wanted to keep my ticket.

Just call the guy from the FAA an idiot and please let the rest of us
know where you are in the pattern.

IFR? IFR = I follow Roads.

just kidding..
BT

You only thought you were. :-))




Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"john smith" wrote in message
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How is right or left traffic depicted on a Sectional Chart?


RP

We've had right traffic to 17 for years and years at my home field and
the sectional had RP 17 for most of those years. Last year it was
inadvertantly left off the sectional but we continued to fly right
patterns to 17. In fact, I hadn't noticed it wasn't on my current
sectional at the time until a transient pointed it out to me. We
checked it against the old sectional posted on the wall of the FBO and
sure enough, they left it off on the newer sectional. So even if a
pilot goes by the sectional, at least in this instance, he would have
been going against local convention and a radio call indicating such
would help sort out any confusion. The sectional has since been
corrected and reads RP 17 again.

"150flivver" wrote in message
oups.com...

We've had right traffic to 17 for years and years at my home field and
the sectional had RP 17 for most of those years. Last year it was
inadvertantly left off the sectional but we continued to fly right
patterns to 17. In fact, I hadn't noticed it wasn't on my current
sectional at the time until a transient pointed it out to me. We
checked it against the old sectional posted on the wall of the FBO and
sure enough, they left it off on the newer sectional. So even if a
pilot goes by the sectional, at least in this instance, he would have
been going against local convention and a radio call indicating such
would help sort out any confusion. The sectional has since been
corrected and reads RP 17 again.


What field?

john smith wrote:
How is right or left traffic depicted on a Sectional Chart?

This is why BFRs are required every 2 years.

-Robert