No more "Left Downwind"?

I could, but since I can put my hands on old charts I'll just scan the
portion of the Los Angeles sectional from 1987 and 1997 showing El Toro and
post them in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation.

You have old charts? Do you perchance have the SF sectional from around
1980?

Jose
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You have old charts?

Many.



Do you perchance have the SF sectional from around 1980?


I have San Francisco sectionals from 1987, 1965, 1958, 1947, and 1943.

Do you perchance have the SF sectional from around 1980?
I have San Francisco sectionals from 1987, 1965, 1958, 1947, and 1943.

If it's convenient for you, I wouldn't mind a scan of the area (1987 and
1965) south of Salinas. In 1981 flew into an airport there (which no
longer exists) with the unique name of "Skypark airport", and was
wondering exactly where it was situated. Alas, I did not save the chart.

Jose
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Would you be willing to sell the 1943? That was the year I was born and I
have an original of the Grass Valley newspaper for the date of my birth and
a pocket piece 1943 half-dollar that I've had since my gramma gave it to me
for my tenth birthday -- and a few magazines (Life, Good Housekeeping, and a
few more). I've never been able to find a sectional from that year.

If you don't want to sell it, can you recommend a good source for old
sectionals?

Jim



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"Jose" wrote in message
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You have old charts?

Many.



Do you perchance have the SF sectional from around 1980?


I have San Francisco sectionals from 1987, 1965, 1958, 1947, and 1943.

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:17:40 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Because I operate out of KSNA, that's an interesting bit of (old) news
to me. I can't put my hands on an old chart at the moment. Can you
tell me how the MCAS El Toro Class D airspace was structured if it
didn't reach the surface?


I could, but since I can put my hands on old charts I'll just scan the
portion of the Los Angeles sectional from 1987 and 1997 showing El Toro and
post them in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation.



Many thanks.

Because of the clutter and close proximity of the three airports, this
is not an easy chart to read. I presume the thick, blue, slashed,
concentric circles centered on El Toro depict the Class C airspace,
and the thinner blue dashed 'keyhole' shaped circle centered on El
Toro depicts its Control Zone much the same as Class D airspace is
currently depicted on current charts. The wedge shaped area south of
El Toro refereed to in the Special Notice, doesn't appear to be
depicted as Class D nor part of the CZ, as it isn't bounded by the
typical Class D boundary depiction. However, it is effectively Class
D, as it is necessary to contact ATC (the tower?) to operate within
it.

So when you said:

El Toro MCAS used to have Class D airspace adjacent to the Class C
airspace that didn't even reach the surface.

was it the Special Notice airspace to which you were referring?

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Many thanks.

Because of the clutter and close proximity of the three airports, this
is not an easy chart to read. I presume the thick, blue, slashed,
concentric circles centered on El Toro depict the Class C airspace,
and the thinner blue dashed 'keyhole' shaped circle centered on El
Toro depicts its Control Zone much the same as Class D airspace is
currently depicted on current charts. The wedge shaped area south of
El Toro refereed to in the Special Notice, doesn't appear to be
depicted as Class D nor part of the CZ, as it isn't bounded by the
typical Class D boundary depiction. However, it is effectively Class
D, as it is necessary to contact ATC (the tower?) to operate within
it.

So when you said:

El Toro MCAS used to have Class D airspace adjacent to the Class C
airspace that didn't even reach the surface.

was it the Special Notice airspace to which you were referring?


Did you download both charts? They were uploaded separately due to their
size.

Airspace reclassification happened in 1993. The 1987 chart depicts the El
Toro ARSA which became the El Toro Class C and is depicted on the 1997
chart. The area of concern is south of the MCAS, it overlies Dana Point and
extends to the north to abut and underlie the El Toro ARSA/Class C. On the
1987 chart it is designated "MCAS El Toro Special Air Traffic Rules", see
the bold blue arrow at the bottom left of the image. On the 1997 chart it
is designated Class D airspace, see the not quite as bold blue arrow in a
similar position.

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:24:54 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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Did you download both charts? They were uploaded separately due to their
size.

Yes. But I just looked at the older one. Sorry.

Airspace reclassification happened in 1993. The 1987 chart depicts the El
Toro ARSA which became the El Toro Class C and is depicted on the 1997
chart. The area of concern is south of the MCAS, it overlies Dana Point and
extends to the north to abut and underlie the El Toro ARSA/Class C. On the
1987 chart it is designated "MCAS El Toro Special Air Traffic Rules", see
the bold blue arrow at the bottom left of the image. On the 1997 chart it
is designated Class D airspace, see the not quite as bold blue arrow in a
similar position.

You are absolutely correct.

Thank you for all the effort.