G430 Display/Numbers or Pictures?

On 9/4/2006 1:46 PM, Bill wrote the following:

The visual type guys always want the map and track
up too.

Track up drives me nuts! :-) It's on my checklist to make sure the
thing is north up before I take off.

"Mitty" wrote in message
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On 9/4/2006 1:46 PM, Bill wrote the following:

The visual type guys always want the map and track
up too.

Track up drives me nuts! :-) It's on my checklist to make sure the thing
is north up before I take off.

For me, it's track up, symbol at the bottom (I want to see where I'm heading
and what I'm heading INTO)

YMMV

Mitty wrote in :



On 9/4/2006 1:46 PM, Bill wrote the following:

The visual type guys always want the map and track
up too.

Track up drives me nuts! :-) It's on my checklist to make sure the
thing is north up before I take off.

Bet you will find extreme opinions on this :-)

For me, North up drives me nuts, as when I turn right, I want to see the
little plane turn right along with me.

As far as the original poster's question, for the initial approach phase, I
use the map to help with situational awareness. Once I am established on
the IA fix, I change over to the CDI page for extra localizer assistance.

Just did a GPS approach into OWB just above GPS minimums Saturday. 430
made the approach a breeze with the help of smooth air in the clouds.

Allen

"track up" gives you more useful information.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG


"Mitty" wrote in message
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On 9/4/2006 1:46 PM, Bill wrote the following:

The visual type guys always want the map and track
up too.

Track up drives me nuts! :-) It's on my checklist to make sure the thing
is north up before I take off.

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"karl gruber" wrote:

"track up" gives you more useful information.

I'm a track-up kind of guy too, it just seems to make more sense. I don't
particularly care where things are relative to some essentially arbitrary
coordinate system, I care where they are relative to me.

The big question is "which way do I have to turn when I reach the next
fix?" With head-up, it's right there in front of you. With north-up, you
have to mentally orient yourself first. Just one more place to screw up.

On 9/6/2006 8:22 AM, Roy Smith wrote the following:
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"karl gruber" wrote:

"track up" gives you more useful information.

I'm a track-up kind of guy too, it just seems to make more sense. I don't
particularly care where things are relative to some essentially arbitrary
coordinate system, I care where they are relative to me.

The big question is "which way do I have to turn when I reach the next
fix?" With head-up, it's right there in front of you. With north-up, you
have to mentally orient yourself first. Just one more place to screw up.

I think this is essentially a religious debate. For me, I am already oriented
by my charts, flight planning, plates, airport diagrams, etc. all of which are
north up. So to do something different on a GPS map display is confusing.
Hunting down the little north barb on the track up screen just doesn't do it.

I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-)

My CFII likes track-up, I prefer north-up. I'm going to suggest a
numbers page when we next fly together :-)

Tim.

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:58:23 -0500, Mitty wrote:



On 9/6/2006 8:22 AM, Roy Smith wrote the following:
In article ,
"karl gruber" wrote:

"track up" gives you more useful information.

I'm a track-up kind of guy too, it just seems to make more sense. I don't
particularly care where things are relative to some essentially arbitrary
coordinate system, I care where they are relative to me.

The big question is "which way do I have to turn when I reach the next
fix?" With head-up, it's right there in front of you. With north-up, you
have to mentally orient yourself first. Just one more place to screw up.

I think this is essentially a religious debate. For me, I am already oriented
by my charts, flight planning, plates, airport diagrams, etc. all of which are
north up. So to do something different on a GPS map display is confusing.
Hunting down the little north barb on the track up screen just doesn't do it.

I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-)

Mitty writes:

I think this is essentially a religious debate. For me, I am
already oriented by my charts, flight planning, plates, airport
diagrams, etc. all of which are north up. So to do something
different on a GPS map display is confusing. [...]

Having two computerized displays is one way to resolve this issue. My
EX500 MFD is set north-up for situational awareness and consistency
with mapping conventions. The 430 GPS is in generally in nav1 mode
with all the quantitative navigational numbers (CDI, track,
track-error). For a tactical traffic/weather scan, a brief visit to
graphical nav2 with track-up is enough.

- FChE

Mitty wrote:
I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-)

No I don't, mosttly because it's inconvenient. On the other hand,
I've never been confused, even momentarially, about which way to turn
when looking at a track-up display.

Do whatever works best for you.

I think this is essentially a religious debate. For me, I am already
oriented
by my charts, flight planning, plates, airport diagrams, etc. all of which
are north up. So to do something different on a GPS map display is
confusing. Hunting down the little north barb on the track up screen just
doesn't do it.

I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-)

It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with which display displays
more useful information. The "track up" display can be used like an HSI. The
"north" up cannot.

Keep the magenta line vertical (and start with the little airplane on the
line) and one is ON COURSE, "track up" only. This is a VERY EASY method of
staying on course.

Karl
ATP and "curator" N185KG

And yes, I have turned my approach plates track up. I suspect the Bonanza I
followed into Missoula should have done that as well. He turned the wrong
way on the arc. Had he been looking at his chart "track up" it wouldn't have
happened.

They found the airplane three years later. I had to hold for 30 minutes
after he disappeared. The NW airliner, holding above us simply went on to
Great Falls.