NATCA Going Down in Flames

Jay Honeck has started one of the most interesting threads in a long
time. 0-160 comments in less then a day,, WOW. Reading all sides of the
issues is pretty damn entertaining and ya got to admit, We do live in a
great country and that first amendment thing is a wonderful thing too..
G

One can clearly see who is a union member, and who is not, thats for
sure..

Ok Jay, for your next assignment if you wish to accept is to start a
thread on politics or religion. This suggestion will self destruct in
20 seconds......

Ben.



Jay Beckman wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
EDS is Electronic Data Systems, Inc., the folks that do IT for GM.
They have a reputation in the industry for draconian labor practices
(as did Henry Ford):


Ross Perot is also the man who moved heaven and hell to get his people out
of Iran when the Shah was ousted...

As for Henry Ford, he may not have been as draconian as a lot of people
think. My maternal grandfather went to work for ol' Henry after graduating
from Ford's first industrial education program. I've been told by family
that any time Henry came down to the production floor, he would seek out my
grandfather, greeted him by name and would always inquire about his health
and happiness. It has also been said that Mr. Ford (in the early days)
maintained a fairly "open door policy" for his empoyees.

Perhaps once Ford Motor Company began it's exponential growth this practice
simply became untenable.

Jay B

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Jay Honeck has started one of the most interesting threads in a long
time. 0-160 comments in less then a day,,

Interesting? Not to me.

Remember, also, that quantify is not equal to quality.
--
Jim in NC

Interesting? Not to me.

Really? I find it fascinating.

Unfortunately, it's the same fascination that won't let you avert your
eyes when you're witnessing a train wreck. Controllers, by their
actions, have harmed GA's chances of avoiding privatization in ways
that no other single action could have accoplished. And we're all
going to pay for it.

All because they don't want to be "forced" to wear dockers and a nice
shirt to work.

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Really? I find it fascinating.

Unfortunately, it's the same fascination that won't let you avert your
eyes when you're witnessing a train wreck. Controllers, by their
actions, have harmed GA's chances of avoiding privatization in ways
that no other single action could have accoplished. And we're all
going to pay for it.

All because they don't want to be "forced" to wear dockers and a nice
shirt to work.


Why should government employees that aren't even seen by the customer
be forced to wear dockers and a nice shirt to work while private sector
employees that must interact with customers, like those at the Alexis
Park Inn, can dress like bums?

Your position appears to be solely based on your noted dislike of
government employees.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Why should government employees that aren't even seen by the customer
be forced to wear dockers and a nice shirt to work while private sector
employees that must interact with customers, like those at the Alexis
Park Inn, can dress like bums?

Your position appears to be solely based on your noted dislike of
government employees.

Steven, I am not sure that his position is based upon dislike. But if
it is, maybe it is just unionized "babies."

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:

Steven, I am not sure that his position is based upon dislike. But if
it is, maybe it is just unionized "babies."


The newly imposed "contract" applies to all controllers, not just those
that joined NATCA.

Ron Lee wrote:

Steven, I am not sure that his position is based upon dislike. But if
it is, maybe it is just unionized "babies."


The newly imposed "contract" applies to all controllers, not just those
that joined NATCA.

One sees a truly bizarre world where trade unionism intersects government.
We had a case where a nurse at a city-run hospital insisted on working in
the nude. She was in quality assurance, or something like that, so she had
an office. She taped paper over the window on the door, which had a lock.
She kept a robe on the hook on the door, and whenever she needed to open the
door, put on the robe. The city wanted to fire her, but never got around to
it. As far as I know, she's still there, in the buff. working away. When
you come down to it, why do controllers need to wear clothes at all?

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Why should government employees that aren't even seen by the customer
be forced to wear dockers and a nice shirt to work while private sector
employees that must interact with customers, like those at the Alexis
Park Inn, can dress like bums?

Your position appears to be solely based on your noted dislike of
government employees.

Steven, I am not sure that his position is based upon dislike. But if
it is, maybe it is just unionized "babies."

Ron Lee

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
oups.com:


Jay Honeck wrote:

Really? I find it fascinating.

Unfortunately, it's the same fascination that won't let you avert your
eyes when you're witnessing a train wreck. Controllers, by their
actions, have harmed GA's chances of avoiding privatization in ways
that no other single action could have accoplished. And we're all
going to pay for it.

All because they don't want to be "forced" to wear dockers and a nice
shirt to work.


Why should government employees that aren't even seen by the customer
be forced to wear dockers and a nice shirt to work while private sector
employees that must interact with customers, like those at the Alexis
Park Inn, can dress like bums?

Simply because Alexis Park Inn is a private enterprise which is subject to
its customers' preferences for its survival. If the customers dislike the
dress code at the Inn enough, they will take their business elsewhere.

Your position appears to be solely based on your noted dislike of
government employees.

Government employees are not subject to market forces the way private
sector employees are. Customer dissatisfaction with their product does not
cause them lose jobs or pay. Therefore, they do not necessarily feel the
same pressure to produce goods and services that satisfy their customers.

An external device, such as a reasonable dress code, might go a long way
towards instituting some of that discipline.

The only reason controllers can feel like they can oppose management on
every issue is because they think the government monopoly that has
provided them with their jobs and pay is forever going to be there.

They are wrong.

Sinan

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A. Sinan Unur
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"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
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Government employees are not subject to market forces the way private
sector employees are. Customer dissatisfaction with their product does not
cause them lose jobs or pay. Therefore, they do not necessarily feel the
same pressure to produce goods and services that satisfy their customers.

An external device, such as a reasonable dress code, might go a long way
towards instituting some of that discipline.


How?



The only reason controllers can feel like they can oppose management on
every issue is because they think the government monopoly that has
provided them with their jobs and pay is forever going to be there.

They are wrong.


But ATC will always be a monopoly.