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"karl gruber" wrote: "track up" gives you more useful information. I'm a track-up kind of guy too, it just seems to make more sense. I don't particularly care where things are relative to some essentially arbitrary coordinate system, I care where they are relative to me. The big question is "which way do I have to turn when I reach the next fix?" With head-up, it's right there in front of you. With north-up, you have to mentally orient yourself first. Just one more place to screw up. |
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![]() On 9/6/2006 8:22 AM, Roy Smith wrote the following: In article , "karl gruber" wrote: "track up" gives you more useful information. I'm a track-up kind of guy too, it just seems to make more sense. I don't particularly care where things are relative to some essentially arbitrary coordinate system, I care where they are relative to me. The big question is "which way do I have to turn when I reach the next fix?" With head-up, it's right there in front of you. With north-up, you have to mentally orient yourself first. Just one more place to screw up. I think this is essentially a religious debate. For me, I am already oriented by my charts, flight planning, plates, airport diagrams, etc. all of which are north up. So to do something different on a GPS map display is confusing. Hunting down the little north barb on the track up screen just doesn't do it. I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-) |
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My CFII likes track-up, I prefer north-up. I'm going to suggest a
numbers page when we next fly together :-) Tim. On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:58:23 -0500, Mitty wrote: On 9/6/2006 8:22 AM, Roy Smith wrote the following: In article , "karl gruber" wrote: "track up" gives you more useful information. I'm a track-up kind of guy too, it just seems to make more sense. I don't particularly care where things are relative to some essentially arbitrary coordinate system, I care where they are relative to me. The big question is "which way do I have to turn when I reach the next fix?" With head-up, it's right there in front of you. With north-up, you have to mentally orient yourself first. Just one more place to screw up. I think this is essentially a religious debate. For me, I am already oriented by my charts, flight planning, plates, airport diagrams, etc. all of which are north up. So to do something different on a GPS map display is confusing. Hunting down the little north barb on the track up screen just doesn't do it. I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-) |
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![]() Mitty writes: I think this is essentially a religious debate. For me, I am already oriented by my charts, flight planning, plates, airport diagrams, etc. all of which are north up. So to do something different on a GPS map display is confusing. [...] Having two computerized displays is one way to resolve this issue. My EX500 MFD is set north-up for situational awareness and consistency with mapping conventions. The 430 GPS is in generally in nav1 mode with all the quantitative navigational numbers (CDI, track, track-error). For a tactical traffic/weather scan, a brief visit to graphical nav2 with track-up is enough. - FChE |
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Mitty wrote:
I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-) No I don't, mosttly because it's inconvenient. On the other hand, I've never been confused, even momentarially, about which way to turn when looking at a track-up display. Do whatever works best for you. |
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![]() I think this is essentially a religious debate. For me, I am already oriented by my charts, flight planning, plates, airport diagrams, etc. all of which are north up. So to do something different on a GPS map display is confusing. Hunting down the little north barb on the track up screen just doesn't do it. I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-) It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with which display displays more useful information. The "track up" display can be used like an HSI. The "north" up cannot. Keep the magenta line vertical (and start with the little airplane on the line) and one is ON COURSE, "track up" only. This is a VERY EASY method of staying on course. Karl ATP and "curator" N185KG And yes, I have turned my approach plates track up. I suspect the Bonanza I followed into Missoula should have done that as well. He turned the wrong way on the arc. Had he been looking at his chart "track up" it wouldn't have happened. They found the airplane three years later. I had to hold for 30 minutes after he disappeared. The NW airliner, holding above us simply went on to Great Falls. |
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![]() On 9/6/2006 11:22 AM, karl gruber wrote the following: It has nothing to do with religion. Maybe I should have said "like religious zealotry." Reviewing the posts, including yours, I rest my case. :-) |
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Mitty wrote:
I'll bet you don't turn your approach plates so they are track up! :-) The ChartView feature of my MX20 will turn the displayed Jepp approach plates track-up when the aircraft approaches a point that is within the coverage of the chart. In fair disclosure, though, I haven't retained the subscription of this service, believing the cost outweighs the benefit of seeing the chart and the aircraft's course overlaid therein. With regard to paper charts, the more important information (in my opinion) gleaned from these charts are the frequencies, initial, intermediate, and final course headings, and minimum altitudes for each segment. Turning the chart track-up makes it difficult to read this information, although I will admit to momentarily turning the chart track-up as I approach the IAF as a guide to situational awareness (more applicable to VOR and GPS approaches, where course reversals or changes are more likely to occur throughout the approach). -- Peter |
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What 'track up" does is actually supply MORE useful information than "north"
up. This is the case because the magenta line can and should be used as an HSI. All one has to do is keep the magenta line vertical to stay EXACTLY on course. This cannot be done with "north" up. It is a very easy way to shoot approaches. Karl ATP and "Curator" N185KG "Roy Smith" wrote in message ... In article , "karl gruber" wrote: "track up" gives you more useful information. I'm a track-up kind of guy too, it just seems to make more sense. I don't particularly care where things are relative to some essentially arbitrary coordinate system, I care where they are relative to me. The big question is "which way do I have to turn when I reach the next fix?" With head-up, it's right there in front of you. With north-up, you have to mentally orient yourself first. Just one more place to screw up. |
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