NATCA Going Down in Flames

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:10:29 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
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In the end, the point isn't what I like, or what you like -- it's what
the employer likes. If the FAA decides that it wants you to wear polka
dot clown suits every day, so be it.

I will wear whatever my employer wishes, provided they also provide it.

In that case you quite likely would find yourself pursuing other
opportunities.

I require my project managers to wear slacks and at least a "golf" type
shirt when meeting clients/contractors in their offices. When entertaining
them in a restaurant, for example, a suit/sport coat and tie are mandatory.

I haven't had to buy anyone a suit yet, and I doubt I ever will.

I was a project manager in the CS department for a large multinational
corporation. The only time I ever wore a suit was at my interview.
After that I wore what I do now; slacks and a good shirt albeit I
could wear fitted shirts then. I guess I could now too, but they'd
have to let the middle out instead of taking it in.:-))
When they had a business lunch I wore the same thing and I had
one rule. I either did business or ate lunch but never both at the
same time. It's not good for the digestion.
As long as the person takes proper care of their personal sanitation
(you don't have to open the windows when they walk in a room of turn
away when they smile) I don't care what they ware. The co-ops that
were sent home for *almost* wearing a skirt too short should have been
in our departments instead of the office areas. They probably would
have still been sent home but it would have been because the guys
weren't getting any work done.

OTOH I view restaurants and hotels as a different world than computer
geeks and Air Traffic Controllers. Even then you are only talking
about neat, clean, and wearing the company logo. As far as name tags,
since I was 21 I've never worked any where that didn't require a
security badge.

I also had a job where I did wear a work uniform if you want to call
it that. I worked in industrial instrumentation for 26 years before
going back to college and I was glad they not only provided the slacks
and monogrammed shirts, coats, jackets, and even coveralls, but did
the laundry. It was not exactly an environment that was friendly to
what you wore. We all gladly put our personal clothes in our lockers.




Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

The co-ops that
were sent home for *almost* wearing a skirt too short should have been
in our departments instead of the office areas.

If they "almost" wore a skirt, what =did= they wear? (or should we not
go there?

Jose
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:40:46 GMT, Jose
wrote:

The co-ops that
were sent home for *almost* wearing a skirt too short should have been
in our departments instead of the office areas.

If they "almost" wore a skirt, what =did= they wear? (or should we not
go there?

So you really are an attentive reader:-))
Havent your seen one of those skirts that are low on top and high on
the bottom?


Jose
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Havent your seen one of those skirts that are low on top and high on
the bottom?

With the coin slot? Yeah, I saw one in Pasadena. I guess that counts
as "almost wearing" it.

Jose
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"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
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OTOH I view restaurants and hotels as a different world than computer
geeks and Air Traffic Controllers.

True. One group meets the public and another doesn't...normally.

I do notice, in my thirty some years in the business/engineering something
of a relationship from dress (call it comportment) to attitude, to

I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what I've
seen.

There's casual, as appropriate, and there grunge...especially when adults
are acting like spoiled brats. (See remarks about IT in Asia; those who
thought IT was a company provided playground).

I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what I've
seen.

There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?

Jose
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Yup.. These are the same people who wrote software that have us
clicking on "start" to turn off our computers,,, They comment how they
make as much if not more the ATC workers. Money doesn't seem to weed
out the bizarre so it must be the clothes they wear.....

Ducking and running.

Ben.
Jose wrote:
I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what I've
seen.

There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:
I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what
I've
seen.

There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?

Yes.

Hint: Ghetto.

On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:22:50 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:

Jose wrote:
I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what
I've
seen.

There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?

Yes.

We had one programmer who was always neatly dressed. I had to rewrite
a lot of his code as it was difficult to read and he didn't know what
internal documentation meant. Neat dresser, sloppy programmer albeit
the stuff worked.

So like many other things I'd have to say...some times yes and
sometimes no.



Hint: Ghetto.

Ghetto = subdivision, group, or as in Brooklyn (borough)



Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

In article ,
"Roger (K8RI)" wrote:

We had one programmer who was always neatly dressed. I had to rewrite
a lot of his code as it was difficult to read and he didn't know what
internal documentation meant. Neat dresser, sloppy programmer albeit
the stuff worked.

Wait a minute... you re-wrote his code and you are giving him credit for
it working?