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Old September 9th 06, 04:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Barrow
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"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
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OTOH I view restaurants and hotels as a different world than computer
geeks and Air Traffic Controllers.


True. One group meets the public and another doesn't...normally.

I do notice, in my thirty some years in the business/engineering something
of a relationship from dress (call it comportment) to attitude, to

I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what I've
seen.

There's casual, as appropriate, and there grunge...especially when adults
are acting like spoiled brats. (See remarks about IT in Asia; those who
thought IT was a company provided playground).



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Old September 9th 06, 04:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what I've
seen.


There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?

Jose
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Old September 9th 06, 06:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Yup.. These are the same people who wrote software that have us
clicking on "start" to turn off our computers,,, They comment how they
make as much if not more the ATC workers. Money doesn't seem to weed
out the bizarre so it must be the clothes they wear.....

Ducking and running.

Ben.
Jose wrote:
I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what I've
seen.


There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.


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Old September 9th 06, 02:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Barrow
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Jose wrote:
I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what
I've
seen.


There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?


Yes.

Hint: Ghetto.


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Old September 10th 06, 12:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Roger (K8RI)
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:22:50 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:

Jose wrote:
I laugh when I hear the term "Software Engineer". Slop shop is what
I've
seen.

There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?


Yes.


We had one programmer who was always neatly dressed. I had to rewrite
a lot of his code as it was difficult to read and he didn't know what
internal documentation meant. Neat dresser, sloppy programmer albeit
the stuff worked.

So like many other things I'd have to say...some times yes and
sometimes no.



Hint: Ghetto.


Ghetto = subdivision, group, or as in Brooklyn (borough)



Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
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Old September 10th 06, 03:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In article ,
"Roger (K8RI)" wrote:

We had one programmer who was always neatly dressed. I had to rewrite
a lot of his code as it was difficult to read and he didn't know what
internal documentation meant. Neat dresser, sloppy programmer albeit
the stuff worked.


Wait a minute... you re-wrote his code and you are giving him credit for
it working?
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Old September 11th 06, 09:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Andrew Gideon
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:15:34 +0000, john smith wrote:

Wait a minute... you re-wrote his code and you are giving him credit for
it working?


It can be true. But it also shows that "working" is necessary but
insufficient for "good" (or even "decent"). Sadly, those looking in from
outside the industry cannot discern the difference. That is one reason
why so many have been burned by bad programming of one sort of another.

For example, something can work but be so fragile that it cannot withstand
any evolution of requirements (and therefore enhancement of the software).

This is why God invented Code Reviews.

- Andrew

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Old September 12th 06, 06:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Roger (K8RI)
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:15:34 GMT, john smith wrote:

In article ,
"Roger (K8RI)" wrote:

We had one programmer who was always neatly dressed. I had to rewrite
a lot of his code as it was difficult to read and he didn't know what
internal documentation meant. Neat dresser, sloppy programmer albeit
the stuff worked.


Wait a minute... you re-wrote his code and you are giving him credit for
it working?


That is because they did work.

He wrote working programs. They did what they were supposed to do. I
reorganized them into logical order using what is called "pretty
printing" which makes the source code easy to read for those who come
along behind. I then added internal documentation.

Both of the above are things unknown to management. They only care if
the code works for the original job.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
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Old September 9th 06, 03:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jose[_1_]
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There is sloppy code and sloppy dress. Can you demonstrate a positive
correlation between them?

Yup.. These are the same people who wrote software that have us
clicking on "start" to turn off our computers,,, They comment how they
make as much if not more the ATC workers. Money doesn't seem to weed
out the bizarre so it must be the clothes they wear.....

Ducking and running.


I wonder what windows would be like if programmers were nude.

Jose
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