Commerical rating question about hours req.

The instrument training required for a PP is control and
maneuvering from a CFI. The Commercial requires instrument
instruction from a CFII.

61.109

(3) 3 hours of flight training in a single-engine airplane
on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by
reference to instruments, including straight and level
flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to a
heading, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio
communications, and the use of navigation systems/facilities
and radar services appropriate to instrument flight;



while

61.129

(i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5
hours must be in a single-engine airplane;



So you need a CFII for all 10 hours of the commercial. If
your time was logged so as to comply with 61.129, by an
authorized instructor (instrument instruction requires the
II).




--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Nik" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Hey guys, quick question about the commercial (VFR) rating
and the
| hours required for it.
| To get your commercial rating you need:
|
| 20 hours of DUAL training to include....
|
| 10 hours of DUAL complex time
| 1 two hour DUAL, DAY, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line distance)
cross
| country
| 1 two hour DUAL, NIGHT, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line
distance) cross
| country
| 10 hours DUAL Instrument
| 250 hours of total time
| 100 hours pilot in command
|
| 50 hours cross country PIC
|
| 10 hours of solo to include....
|
| 1 300 Nm cross country with 3 full stop landings, one of
which is 250
| Nm straight line distance from the point of departure.
| 5 hours of NIGHT SOLO, and in those five :
| 10 take offs and landings at NIGHT SOLO, at an airport
with an
| operating control tower.
|
| Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of
simulated
| instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged that
prepared me
| for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do I
have to do
| them over again?
|
| Thanks!
| -Nik
|

Thanks for the reply guys!
So since I received my 3 hours from a CFII, it DOES COUNT, right?


Thanks!
-Nik
Jim Macklin wrote:
The instrument training required for a PP is control and
maneuvering from a CFI. The Commercial requires instrument
instruction from a CFII.

61.109

(3) 3 hours of flight training in a single-engine airplane
on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by
reference to instruments, including straight and level
flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to a
heading, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio
communications, and the use of navigation systems/facilities
and radar services appropriate to instrument flight;



while

61.129

(i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5
hours must be in a single-engine airplane;



So you need a CFII for all 10 hours of the commercial. If
your time was logged so as to comply with 61.129, by an
authorized instructor (instrument instruction requires the
II).




--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Nik" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Hey guys, quick question about the commercial (VFR) rating
and the
| hours required for it.
| To get your commercial rating you need:
|
| 20 hours of DUAL training to include....
|
| 10 hours of DUAL complex time
| 1 two hour DUAL, DAY, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line distance)
cross
| country
| 1 two hour DUAL, NIGHT, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line
distance) cross
| country
| 10 hours DUAL Instrument
| 250 hours of total time
| 100 hours pilot in command
|
| 50 hours cross country PIC
|
| 10 hours of solo to include....
|
| 1 300 Nm cross country with 3 full stop landings, one of
which is 250
| Nm straight line distance from the point of departure.
| 5 hours of NIGHT SOLO, and in those five :
| 10 take offs and landings at NIGHT SOLO, at an airport
with an
| operating control tower.
|
| Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of
simulated
| instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged that
prepared me
| for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do I
have to do
| them over again?
|
| Thanks!
| -Nik
|

It depends on what the CFII wrote in the book and how it was
phrased.


"Nik" wrote in message
oups.com...
| Thanks for the reply guys!
| So since I received my 3 hours from a CFII, it DOES COUNT,
right?
|
|
| Thanks!
| -Nik
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| The instrument training required for a PP is control and
| maneuvering from a CFI. The Commercial requires
instrument
| instruction from a CFII.
|
| 61.109
|
| (3) 3 hours of flight training in a single-engine
airplane
| on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by
| reference to instruments, including straight and level
| flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to
a
| heading, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio
| communications, and the use of navigation
systems/facilities
| and radar services appropriate to instrument flight;
|
|
|
| while
|
| 61.129
|
| (i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5
| hours must be in a single-engine airplane;
|
|
|
| So you need a CFII for all 10 hours of the commercial.
If
| your time was logged so as to comply with 61.129, by an
| authorized instructor (instrument instruction requires
the
| II).
|
|
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
|
| "Nik" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| | Hey guys, quick question about the commercial (VFR)
rating
| and the
| | hours required for it.
| | To get your commercial rating you need:
| |
| | 20 hours of DUAL training to include....
| |
| | 10 hours of DUAL complex time
| | 1 two hour DUAL, DAY, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line
distance)
| cross
| | country
| | 1 two hour DUAL, NIGHT, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line
| distance) cross
| | country
| | 10 hours DUAL Instrument
| | 250 hours of total time
| | 100 hours pilot in command
| |
| | 50 hours cross country PIC
| |
| | 10 hours of solo to include....
| |
| | 1 300 Nm cross country with 3 full stop landings, one
of
| which is 250
| | Nm straight line distance from the point of departure.
| | 5 hours of NIGHT SOLO, and in those five :
| | 10 take offs and landings at NIGHT SOLO, at an airport
| with an
| | operating control tower.
| |
| | Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of
| simulated
| | instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged
that
| prepared me
| | for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do
I
| have to do
| | them over again?
| |
| | Thanks!
| | -Nik
| |
|