NATCA Going Down in Flames

Getting dressed in the morning (just like I
would with any commute) improves my performance during the day. I get
more things done.

When you're dressed, you can go out without any additional doings. IN a
bathrobe, going to the store (for example) requires more doing, so it
might be put off. In that sense, I agree, one can be more productive
dressed than nude.

However, we're talking about shorts, not bathrobe. Do you find that,
WHEN you get dressed, that your performance improves with a higher
standard of dress (once you are above the standard required to go to the
store)? Do you work better in a tie?

Workers who feel part of the same team should work better
than workers who don't.

Agreed. With rules like this, do you think the controllers feel like
they're on the same team as the FAA (who is making the rules)?

I would maintain that everybody operating to a
minimum standard would enhance that team.

Yes, key word "operating". I maintain that shorts do not affect how one
controls traffic. I would allow that a captain's uniform as opposed
to shorts may help for a corporate pilot, who is interfacing with the
public (the executives taking the ride), but air traffic control does
not have this kind of interface with their charges.

Are you saying that ATC as an organization has no room for any
improvement?

No. I'm saying dress is probably not high on the list.

But if the airline said [pilots] shouldn't
[take naps] as part of their operating
procedures you would agree that that would be ok right?

I suspect it would not be a good rule, especially for long flights.

Or do you think the pilots should be able
to set their own operating procedures
for their particular flight?

I did not suggest this for ATC, why do you suggest that I suggest this
for pilots?

Jose
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Jose wrote:
However, we're talking about shorts, not bathrobe. Do you find that,
WHEN you get dressed, that your performance improves with a higher
standard of dress (once you are above the standard required to go to the
store)? Do you work better in a tie?

I work more professionally. Personally, I find that when I'm working
with others that care about their appearance I find that we are more
productive. Professional is professional. Whether its in writing,
dress, mannerisms, or the voice on the radio.

And we aren't talking about a requirement for suit and tie. We're
talking about a dress code that (sometimes referred to as "business
casual") that probably 90% of the white-collar workforce uses. The
controllers want to be able to conform to the "beach bum" standard.
(Or at least their union does)

Agreed. With rules like this, do you think the controllers feel like
they're on the same team as the FAA (who is making the rules)?

I don't care if they think they are on the same team as the FAA. I
care if they think they are on the same team as their co-controllers.
FAA sets the standards as management. They should deal with it.

Yes, key word "operating". I maintain that shorts do not affect how one
controls traffic.

The FAA (who's setting the standards) disagrees. As do I.

No. I'm saying dress is probably not high on the list.

And I'm saying that even things down on the list can help improve
things that are higher on the list. Like say forcing people who can't
conform to a simple dress code (anti-authority) to leave the
organzation or change their ways and be more team like. You see the
poor controllers that can't wear shorts. I see anti-authority
behavior. Something I seem to remember reading about in the AIM.

"bdl" wrote in message
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I work more professionally. Personally, I find that when I'm working
with others that care about their appearance I find that we are more
productive. Professional is professional. Whether its in writing,
dress, mannerisms, or the voice on the radio.


What work do you do on the radio?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
What work do you do on the radio?

I don't. I was alluding to controllers.

"bdl" wrote in message
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I don't. I was alluding to controllers.


So it's just a guess on your part. It's not on mine. I do work on the
radio. I am a controller. I find I perform better when I'm comfortable and
I'm more comfortable working in a glass box on a sunny summer day when I'm
wearing a nice pair of shorts.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
So it's just a guess on your part. It's not on mine. I do work on the
radio. I am a controller. I find I perform better when I'm comfortable and
I'm more comfortable working in a glass box on a sunny summer day when I'm
wearing a nice pair of shorts.

Sounds like we need to fix the A/C.

"bdl" wrote in message
ps.com...

Sounds like we need to fix the A/C.


It's not broken, it's just not up to the task. Should we spend your tax
dollars to upgrade it so that controllers can be comfortable and efficient
while wearing pants or should we just allow them to dress comfortably under
the present conditions?

"bdl" wrote in message
ps.com...
Sounds like we need to fix the A/C.

That's what I suggested previously... If you want to make them quit wearing
shorts, just turn up the A/C...

I don't care if they think they are on the same team as the FAA. I
care if they think they are on the same team as their co-controllers.

Do you think they don't think they are on the same team as their
co-controllers? Why do you think that?

The FAA (who's setting the standards) disagrees. As do I.

I often disagree with the FAA. This would be no exception (though I'm
open to other opinions, especially from actual controllers, about the
working conditions there and how dress affects it)

Jose
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In article .com,
"bdl" wrote:

Do you work better in a tie?

I work more professionally.

So naturally your experience must extrapolate to everyone else in
all other jobs...

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