NATCA Going Down in Flames

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
I would suggest they get sleep before coming into work.

What if they do and they're drowsy anyway?

What is the penalty for showing up for your shift incapacitated?

Utilizing the sick policy if they don't.


That's not permitted.

Really? What constitutes sick then? Do you have to have a doctor's
note? Does a headache count? From articles I read, NY controllers
were using the sick policy to a great extent so obviously some people
are incapacitated enough to not show up for their shift.

Maybe. But what is the problem with napping while on a break anyway?

The controlling authority (now) says its forbidden.

"bdl" wrote in message
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What is the penalty for showing up for your shift incapacitated?


Unrelated to the topic.



Really?


Really.



The controlling authority (now) says its forbidden.


True, but not an answer to the question.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Really.

You didn't answer the second part. What does constitute sick?

The controlling authority (now) says its forbidden.


True, but not an answer to the question.

Yes it is.

"bdl" wrote in message
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You didn't answer the second part. What does constitute sick?


Did I really need to? You don't understand the word "sick"?



Yes it is.


No it isn't. An answer would be the reason for the new policy.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Did I really need to? You don't understand the word "sick"?

Yes, you do, since you said that incapacitation do to drowsiness was
not an acceptable excuse for sick leave.


Yes it is.


No it isn't. An answer would be the reason for the new policy.

They provided it. They felt that controllers could be groggy coming
out of their nap onto their shift.

It doesn't matter what their reason is though. They set the rules.
Why are you so anti-authority?

"bdl" wrote in message
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Yes, you do, since you said that incapacitation do to drowsiness was
not an acceptable excuse for sick leave.


I didn't say that. I said the policy does not permit use of sick leave for
drowsiness.



They provided it. They felt that controllers could be groggy coming
out of their nap onto their shift.


They did? Cite please.



It doesn't matter what their reason is though.


Shouldn't any change in policy be justified?



They set the rules.
Why are you so anti-authority?


I'm not. Why are you so imperceptive?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
I didn't say that. I said the policy does not permit use of sick leave for
drowsiness.

Even drowsiness to the extent of incapacitation? If they are so drowsy
they are not at 100% for work they shouldnt' be there.

They provided it. They felt that controllers could be groggy coming
out of their nap onto their shift.


They did? Cite please.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive.../717-full.html

quote
Among the FAA's new work rules imposed on air traffic controllers last
week was a ban on napping during breaks and, predictably perhaps, the
agency and the controllers union differ on the impact of such a rule.
"Even though they're on break, they can be called back to work at any
time," FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown told The Associated Press. "If they
had to be called back to work traffic and they had been sleeping, they
would be groggy."
/qoute


Shouldn't any change in policy be justified?

It was justified.