Cessna Cardinal 177 RG II v. Piper Arrow III (70s) v. Piper Arrow III (brand new)

wrote:
Also, most RG owners report
140-145 kts cruise @ 75%.


Why would anybody buy a Cardinal or Arrow for long term ownership when a
182 goes the same speed, costs less to operate and appreciates faster?

Newps wrote:


wrote:
Also, most RG owners report

140-145 kts cruise @ 75%.



Why would anybody buy a Cardinal or Arrow for long term ownership when a
182 goes the same speed, costs less to operate and appreciates faster?


A 182 costs less? Based on what? Certainly not fuel burn at 75% power.
The 182 has greater than 200 hp... the other planes in question have
right at 200 hp for the models in question.

Dave

Dave S wrote:

Newps wrote:



wrote:
Also, most RG owners report

140-145 kts cruise @ 75%.




Why would anybody buy a Cardinal or Arrow for long term ownership when
a 182 goes the same speed, costs less to operate and appreciates faster?



A 182 costs less? Based on what? Certainly not fuel burn at 75% power.
The 182 has greater than 200 hp... the other planes in question have
right at 200 hp for the models in question.

Insurance, annuals, maintenance. Insurance for a retract can easily be
three times that for a similar fixed gear.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote:

Insurance for a retract can easily be three times that for a similar
fixed gear.

??

My insurance is $1,400/year on $90k hull. How much would a stiff leg 172
be?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote:


Insurance for a retract can easily be three times that for a similar
fixed gear.


??

My insurance is $1,400/year on $90k hull. How much would a stiff leg 172
be?

Beats me, ask your insurance company. :-)

My 1967 182 was less than $1,000 a year for liability and hull
insurance. The 1967 Arrow I now fly (owned by a flying club) costs
$4,000 a year for less coverage. My partner and I had to have $1MM
smooth liability as I flew on company business and they required that.
The Arrow has $700/$100 and we can't even get $1MM smooth anymore.


Matt

Dan Luke wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote:


Insurance for a retract can easily be three times that for a similar
fixed gear.


??

My insurance is $1,400/year on $90k hull. How much would a stiff leg 172
be?


It wouldn't be three times. My 67 182 was usually right at $1000 for a
$70K hull. My Bo is $2200 this year with a $90K hull. That's on its
way down as I got the Bo with zero retract time last year. I would
expect the premium to be in the $1800 range next year.

Newps wrote:

It wouldn't be three times. My 67 182 was usually right at $1000 for a
$70K hull. My Bo is $2200 this year with a $90K hull. That's on its
way down as I got the Bo with zero retract time last year. I would
expect the premium to be in the $1800 range next year.

Congrats on the upgrade.. hope you like it.. I've always liked the
Bonanza ride.. just not the bonanza price/cost of operation/cost of parts..

Dave

Dave S wrote:
Newps wrote:


It wouldn't be three times. My 67 182 was usually right at $1000 for
a $70K hull. My Bo is $2200 this year with a $90K hull. That's on
its way down as I got the Bo with zero retract time last year. I
would expect the premium to be in the $1800 range next year.


Congrats on the upgrade.. hope you like it.. I've always liked the
Bonanza ride.. just not the bonanza price/cost of operation/cost of parts..

I've seen little difference in cost from my 182. Total operating cost
is lower as I burn a lot less gas in the local area.

Dave S wrote:





A 182 costs less? Based on what? Certainly not fuel burn at 75% power.
The 182 has greater than 200 hp... the other planes in question have
right at 200 hp for the models in question.

To operate as an owner the Arrow/Cardinal RG will cost far more.
Insurance alone will probably be 50% more.

You left out that a 182 in comparable condition and equipment will
cost from $30K to 50K more to buy. When I bought my FG 177 9 years ago,
good 182's went for about 85K. How much is that a year in interest,
either paid or lost? At 5% you could buy from $1500 to $2500 of gas.

Newps wrote:
wrote:
Also, most RG owners report
140-145 kts cruise @ 75%.


Why would anybody buy a Cardinal or Arrow for long term ownership when a
182 goes the same speed, costs less to operate and appreciates faster?