Ferrying Aircraft

It all comes down to who looks and what that person{faa} deems as
payment. If you advertise as a ferry pilot you need a comercial period.
If you are just helping a buddy move an airplane a private is fine
because you are not "holding out" or receiveing payment. I also say
lets have some common sense here people if you think that a brand new
private pilot should be moving airplanes all over the country with
little or no experience is just silly. I have pilots that have in
excess of 200-300 hrs but have never left the state. In this day and
age of TFR's and the crazy weather that we seem to be having these
days. Please take your time and plan everything well. I think this
takes the training that a commercial rating{preferably IFR rated}
supplies.

Matt Tiberii
Comm ASEL AMEL ASES INSTRUMENT
CFI CFII



Grumman-581 wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
The problem will happen if you put yourself out for hire. If you post
an ad to ferry planes, clearly you are commerical. However, if a friend
happens to need his plane moved you should be ok as a private.
Insurance will be another thing.

I've had this happen before... Quite a few years ago, a buddy of mine bought
a new plane, although he was still workiing on his PPL... I flew up to the
seller's location with him via Southwest and then I flew it back to HOU...
As a student pilot, he was definitely not PIC... It wasn't a commercial
endeavor nor did I consider the logging of the flight time to be any sort of
compensation -- it was just helping out a buddy... Hell, when I needed my
plane moved from Iowa back down to Houston, he did it for me since he was
already up there for Oshkosh anyway and it saved me a trip via commercial
airline doing the shuffle myself... Regardless of what is written in the
FARs, I don't think a friend helping out a friend in such a situation should
be classified as a commercial flight...

Huck wrote:
It all comes down to who looks and what that person{faa} deems as
payment. If you advertise as a ferry pilot you need a comercial period.
If you are just helping a buddy move an airplane a private is fine
because you are not "holding out" or receiveing payment. I also say
lets have some common sense here people if you think that a brand new
private pilot should be moving airplanes all over the country with
little or no experience is just silly. I have pilots that have in
excess of 200-300 hrs but have never left the state. In this day and
age of TFR's and the crazy weather that we seem to be having these
days. Please take your time and plan everything well. I think this
takes the training that a commercial rating{preferably IFR rated}
supplies.

Matt Tiberii
Comm ASEL AMEL ASES INSTRUMENT
CFI CFII




I agree with you for the most part, but except for TFR's I don't think
weather is any worse nowadays than it used to be. In fact, we have much
better tools for weather avoidance and navigation than in the past, so
all other things being equal a pilot is better equipped and safer today
for a ferry trip than in the past. However, that does not mean that a
newly minted PP should attempt such a thing.

You are sooooo correct in dealing with weather I would bot even think
of going cross counrty without my 496. It is so awsome, I brought a
C-210T back to SC from tulsa last tues night and it was an integal part
of making a go/nogo descision plus with O2 you can go 25000 in t210 so
we were able to go all the way back without even getting wet.
I take it back I would still do it without the weather but i would
have had to stop and double check front lines and so on and so forth
ATC will help tremendously but I feel it is still the PIC's duty to not
get into a position were ATC needs to help if it can be avoided.
{sometimes it cant} Well good luck to all!
matty
Andrew Sarangan wrote:
Huck wrote:
It all comes down to who looks and what that person{faa} deems as
payment. If you advertise as a ferry pilot you need a comercial period.
If you are just helping a buddy move an airplane a private is fine
because you are not "holding out" or receiveing payment. I also say
lets have some common sense here people if you think that a brand new
private pilot should be moving airplanes all over the country with
little or no experience is just silly. I have pilots that have in
excess of 200-300 hrs but have never left the state. In this day and
age of TFR's and the crazy weather that we seem to be having these
days. Please take your time and plan everything well. I think this
takes the training that a commercial rating{preferably IFR rated}
supplies.

Matt Tiberii
Comm ASEL AMEL ASES INSTRUMENT
CFI CFII




I agree with you for the most part, but except for TFR's I don't think
weather is any worse nowadays than it used to be. In fact, we have much
better tools for weather avoidance and navigation than in the past, so
all other things being equal a pilot is better equipped and safer today
for a ferry trip than in the past. However, that does not mean that a
newly minted PP should attempt such a thing.