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Old September 18th 06, 06:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Roger (K8RI)
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:19:53 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:48:57 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

Larry Dighera writes:

Personally, I chose to reside ten minutes from the airport, so the
drive is not too bad.


I got as close as I could and still put up my ham station.


A good solution if you have the option. But most people are
constrained to live far from airports.


Generally you have a choice of jobs, how close to an airport your live
and job location. IF a person is willing to change jobs, professions,
or locations they may be able to end up close to work and fairly close
to an airport.

Most people are not pilots.


Which ain't necessarily all bad.


The closest airport for me is
about 12 miles away, as the crow (er, aircraft) flies.


I'm only a bit over 4 1/2 miles from the airport where I have the Deb
based. Unfortunately you can't get there from here. There is a river
between me and town. There are only two bridges although they are
planning to put one in just about a mile from me. When they do that my
trip to the airport would drop from 10 1/2 to about 5 miles. Currently
both bridges are well out of the way to get where I want. If they had
the new bridge in I could ride my bicycle back and fourth.


Le Bourget is only abut half that far from the center of Paris. It's
a choice.

The ideal would be to live in one of those cool airparks where
everyone has a driveway in front and a taxiway out back, but how many
people can afford to do that?


I like aviation, but I'm not fond of noise. The _ideal_ would be to


I love airplanes and we are on the centerline for the GPS 06 approach
to 3BS and about a mile and a half in from the FAF. Even when working
in the shop I still have to run outside to see what's going over.

reside on enough acreage to have your own private runway and hangar on
your property:


A friend has his own sod strip about 2 miles from me which would be
great in the summer. The Deb does real well on sod and is a good
short field plane although the sod strip is 3800 feet long.

But to get back to flaps on Take off and landing.
I don't recall the 150, 172, Cherokee 180, or even Bonanza requiring
flaps on TO.

On landing I generally run 10 down wind.15 to 20 on base, and about 30
until the runway is made and then it's full flaps whether it's windy
of calm, gusty or steady. The only time I don't use full flaps is the
one or two landings I do every few weeks with no flaps.
Prior to full flaps I said generally as how much I use depends on
conditions and how steep a final I want.





Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
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Old September 18th 06, 07:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Grumman-581[_3_]
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"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
...
Generally you have a choice of jobs, how close to an airport your live
and job location. IF a person is willing to change jobs, professions,
or locations they may be able to end up close to work and fairly close
to an airport.


Of course, it's possible that when you factor in being able to afford a
plane, changing professions so that you can live closer to the airport might
not really be an option...

I'm only a bit over 4 1/2 miles from the airport where I have the Deb
based. Unfortunately you can't get there from here. There is a river
between me and town. There are only two bridges although they are
planning to put one in just about a mile from me. When they do that my
trip to the airport would drop from 10 1/2 to about 5 miles. Currently
both bridges are well out of the way to get where I want. If they had
the new bridge in I could ride my bicycle back and fourth.


When I had my plane over at SGR, it was 4 nm from my house to the airport,
or around 8 miles driving distance... There is a railroad track there that
seemed to *always* have a long train on it whenever I wanted to go there...
Lots of road construction to boot, so the commute there sucked... I moved it
over to AXH with is 8 nm away (13 miles driving distance) and the traffic is
not as heavy, so it takes less time to get there... To top it off, I was
able to eventually find a hangar at AXH, whereas at SGR I was stuck parking
on the grass (even the hard surface tiedown spots were full up)...

A friend has his own sod strip about 2 miles from me which would be
great in the summer. The Deb does real well on sod and is a good
short field plane although the sod strip is 3800 feet long.


I was considering taking a look at a piece of property that I heard about to
the north of Houston up around Lake Livingston and the guy wanted $53,900
for 13 acres (approx 1682 x 340 ft)... Considering the fact that the land
tends to be heavily forested with pine trees up around there and as such, I
would probably have to be taking off and landing over them, I don't think it
would work with my plane... I've been into a 1900 ft strip before and it was
tight enough that I really don't want to have to routinely go into a 1600 ft
one, especially adding in trees and probably power lines... Oh well... Keep
looking, I guess...



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Old September 18th 06, 12:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
mike regish
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That's what chainsaws are for...

mike

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
news:fhrPg.9861

Considering the fact that the land
tends to be heavily forested with pine trees up around there and as such,
I
would probably have to be taking off and landing over them, I don't think
it
would work with my plane... I've been into a 1900 ft strip before and it
was
tight enough that I really don't want to have to routinely go into a 1600
ft
one, especially adding in trees and probably power lines... Oh well...
Keep
looking, I guess...





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Old September 18th 06, 04:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Flaps on take-off and landing

Roger (K8RI) writes:

I love airplanes and we are on the centerline for the GPS 06 approach
to 3BS and about a mile and a half in from the FAF. Even when working
in the shop I still have to run outside to see what's going over.


I like to watch aircraft, too. I sorely miss the days when you could
go to the airport and walk up to the roof or observation deck to watch
planes take off and arrive. Nowadays, it seems you're a terrorist if
you manifest any interest in aircraft. I never understood what danger
there was in letting people watch. Even people who take pictures from
outside the airport are considered terrorists these days.

On landing I generally run 10 down wind.15 to 20 on base, and about 30
until the runway is made and then it's full flaps whether it's windy
of calm, gusty or steady. The only time I don't use full flaps is the
one or two landings I do every few weeks with no flaps.


Why do you do those landings without flaps?

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Old September 18th 06, 09:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Mxsmanic,

I sorely miss the days when you could
go to the airport and walk up to the roof or observation deck to watch
planes take off and arrive.


And I'm sure you can quote a substantial number of airports that have
closed their observation decks? No? Thought so...

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Old September 19th 06, 11:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Roger (K8RI)
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:24:45 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Mxsmanic,

I sorely miss the days when you could
go to the airport and walk up to the roof or observation deck to watch
planes take off and arrive.


And I'm sure you can quote a substantial number of airports that have
closed their observation decks? No? Thought so...


MBS which is a relatively small feeder airport (Towerd class D 6 AM to
Midnight)


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
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Old September 19th 06, 03:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Margy Natalie
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Default Flaps on take-off and landing

Mxsmanic wrote:
Roger (K8RI) writes:


I love airplanes and we are on the centerline for the GPS 06 approach
to 3BS and about a mile and a half in from the FAF. Even when working
in the shop I still have to run outside to see what's going over.



I like to watch aircraft, too. I sorely miss the days when you could
go to the airport and walk up to the roof or observation deck to watch
planes take off and arrive. Nowadays, it seems you're a terrorist if
you manifest any interest in aircraft. I never understood what danger
there was in letting people watch. Even people who take pictures from
outside the airport are considered terrorists these days.


On landing I generally run 10 down wind.15 to 20 on base, and about 30
until the runway is made and then it's full flaps whether it's windy
of calm, gusty or steady. The only time I don't use full flaps is the
one or two landings I do every few weeks with no flaps.



Why do you do those landings without flaps?

Gee, at Reagan (Washington National) you can lay on your back in the
Gravely Point Park and watch the planes fly about 100' above you on
approach.

Margy
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Old September 19th 06, 11:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Roger (K8RI)
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Default Flaps on take-off and landing

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:53:16 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Roger (K8RI) writes:

I love airplanes and we are on the centerline for the GPS 06 approach
to 3BS and about a mile and a half in from the FAF. Even when working
in the shop I still have to run outside to see what's going over.


I like to watch aircraft, too. I sorely miss the days when you could
go to the airport and walk up to the roof or observation deck to watch
planes take off and arrive. Nowadays, it seems you're a terrorist if
you manifest any interest in aircraft. I never understood what danger
there was in letting people watch. Even people who take pictures from
outside the airport are considered terrorists these days.

On landing I generally run 10 down wind.15 to 20 on base, and about 30
until the runway is made and then it's full flaps whether it's windy
of calm, gusty or steady. The only time I don't use full flaps is the
one or two landings I do every few weeks with no flaps.


Why do you do those landings without flaps?


Practice for the "just-in-case" situation. Flap actuators have been
known to fail. The Deb and Bonanzas have decidedly different landing
characteristics between those big barn door flaps at 40 degrees and
nothing. With full flaps it's a very good short field plane. With no
flaps, it floats and floats and floats in a very nose high attitude if
you wish to touch down at a reasonable speed. Typically with no flaps
I'm looking straight ahead at the center of the instrument panel with
the only forward view being sky. The only view of the runway is in the
forward bottom corners of the front side windows so I can see the
edges of the runway or runway lights. With full flaps the forward
view is very good.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
 




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