Is rudder required for coordinated turns?

Mxsmanic wrote:

Is it always necessary to use the rudder to execute a coordinated
turn? When I turn (in simulation) it seems that just rolling the
aircraft suffices, as long as the bank angle isn't too steep. (And
no, I don't have automatic rudder control enabled.)

What plane are you using? If I turn off auto rudder control with the
Cessna 172, the little ball is all over the place.

Marc

Marc Adler writes:

What plane are you using?

I've been flying the Baron 58 and the 737 from the stock game, plus
the Dreamfleet Bonanza A36 and the PMDG 737-800. In all cases,
standard, gradual turns don't seem to require much rudder input, even
with auto rudder control turned off.

I did look at the A36 from the outside while moving the stick, and the
rudder doesn't move. So presumably the loose connection that the real
aircraft has between ailerons and rudder is not being simulated, but
I'm not really sure (it could be simulated without the video, although
that's unlikely--or it could be so gentle that it's hard to see
movement in the rudder).

If I turn off auto rudder control with the
Cessna 172, the little ball is all over the place.

I see the ball move occasionally, but not much. I tend to make
gradual turns, though, especially in large aircraft. (Remember that I
flew MSFS with just a keyboard for 15 years, and that teaches you to
be gentle.)

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Mxsmanic wrote:

I see the ball move occasionally, but not much. I tend to make
gradual turns, though, especially in large aircraft. (Remember that I
flew MSFS with just a keyboard for 15 years, and that teaches you to
be gentle.)

I always fly out of one airport (KAUS) with the weather set to
real-time and the time of day the current time of day (because that's
the airport where (I'm assuming) I'll learn to fly), so maybe the wind
conditions affect performance, because even on level flight the ball in
the inclinometer is hard to keep in place.

Incidentally, speaking of input devices, do any people here who use a
yoke* and who also actually fly think the yoke is more realistic (and
therefore worth the price tag) than the joystick?

Marc

*e.g.:
http://www.pilotshop.com/flight-yoke...4bf5edfca0c21b

Marc,

because even on level flight the ball in
the inclinometer is hard to keep in place.

Have you compared realism settings yet? Also, in the bigger aircraft,
the ball will move less.


Incidentally, speaking of input devices, do any people here who use a
yoke* and who also actually fly think the yoke is more realistic (and
therefore worth the price tag) than the joystick?


As long as the yoke also has engine controls, I'd say yes, it's worth
it.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Have you compared realism settings yet? Also, in the bigger aircraft,
the ball will move less.

I have the realism settings set to maximum.

As long as the yoke also has engine controls, I'd say yes, it's worth
it.

My Christmas list is growing like a tapeworm... g

Marc

A rudder on an airplane helps make coordinated turns as do turning
brakes on a farm tractor.

Mxsmanic wrote
I've been flying the Baron 58 and the 737 from the stock game

All swept wing airliners that I am familiar with (Boeings) have
a full time yaw damper that keeps the rudder where it belongs at
all times. The airplanes make perfectly coordinated turns with
one's feet flat on the floor. :-)

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)

Bob Moore writes:

All swept wing airliners that I am familiar with (Boeings) have
a full time yaw damper that keeps the rudder where it belongs at
all times. The airplanes make perfectly coordinated turns with
one's feet flat on the floor. :-)

I thought a yaw damper was just intended to prevent dutch roll.

At least on the 737-800, the yaw damper can be turned on or off at
pilot discretion.

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Mxsmanic wrote
At least on the 737-800, the yaw damper can be turned on or off at
pilot discretion.

Turned ON and OFF...Yes, but hardly at the pilot's discretion.

I have no 737 experience, but the 727 has 2 rudders and 2 yaw
dampers. If just one of them fails, the pilot must descend below
30,000' and slow to a specified maximum speed, just in case the
other one should fail also.

Bob Moore

Bob Moore wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote
At least on the 737-800, the yaw damper can be turned on or off at
pilot discretion.

Turned ON and OFF...Yes, but hardly at the pilot's discretion.

I have no 737 experience,


Don't feel bad.... neither does he.




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