Dress Code

One of the things that makes this country a Great Country (I guess I am sort of patriotic) is the freedoms that we have. I am greatly disturbed when they are taken from us, and even more disturbed when we willingly give them up. There are many freedoms here, and most people don't use most of them. That's ok. There are many freedoms I don't use, and the freedom to say "yes" is meaningless without the freedom to say "no". But even if I say "no", I value the freedom to say "yes".

That is fundamental.

Imagine -- they've got a current employee,
on staff, who runs a website solely for the
purposes of impugning his employer!

Imagine that.

I have no quarrel with my employer (after all, I'm self employed), so if the freedom to impunge my employer were taken away from me, it wouldn't affect my daily life. But I think it's an important freedom, and part of what makes this country great.

And what a fool. He has neatly and succinctly documented his own
insubordination.

Imagine that. In this country, we are free to be stupid, in the eyes of others.

and publishing it worldwide?

I was taught in grade school history that the Constitution of the United States says we can do exactly that. Thousands of people died in order to preserve this freedom, and it is irrespective of whether or not you agree with what is being published. Imagine that. We can actually =publish= stupid things! And get away with it!

My respect for controllers could not have been more diminished.

Your respect for controllers must have been very thin indeed.

I've never seen an organization with a more
self-destructive workforce in my life

If the FAA operates with a staff as small as that documented on the website, maybe I should be worried. OTOH, if those individuals are the entirety of our national airspace control system, and they can actually make it work all by themselves.... gee, I'd double their pay and let them work naked with a chicken if they wanted to.

I have a suspicion however that what you are seeing is the personal opinion of a handful of people. Hardly something that I'd get my knickers in a twit about.

If any further evidence of the need to
privatize the FAA is necessary, I will be very surprised.

I really don't see the connection at all. A privatized FAA will in short order mean user fees for all small aircraft. In exchange, we might be granted the privilage of being worked by controllers who wear a suit and tie. Frankly, when I'm in an airplane, I don't see any reason to care what the controllers are wearing. I =do= see a reason to care whether or not they are happy working there. If they are not happy working there, I expect I will hear more of "Four two Victor, break off your practice approach at one thousand five hundred"... which of course makes the approach useless for currency or competence.

I never had any reason to disrespect
the individuals who made up the FAA. To
a man, they've always been
smart, kind, and professional.

They are the same people you've always been dealing with. You can either change your opinion of the people, or change your opinion of what constitutes "smart, kind, and professional". I'd actually reccomend you consider the latter.

Jose
--
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"Jose" wrote in message
...
One of the things that makes this country a Great Country (I guess I am
sort of patriotic) is the freedoms that we have. I am greatly disturbed
when they are taken from us, and even more disturbed when we willingly
give them up. There are many freedoms here, and most people don't use
most of them. That's ok. There are many freedoms I don't use, and the
freedom to say "yes" is meaningless without the freedom to say "no". But
even if I say "no", I value the freedom to say "yes".

That is fundamental.

Imagine -- they've got a current employee,
on staff, who runs a website solely for the
purposes of impugning his employer!

Imagine that.

I have no quarrel with my employer (after all, I'm self employed), so if
the freedom to impunge my employer were taken away from me, it wouldn't
affect my daily life. But I think it's an important freedom, and part of
what makes this country great.

In most corporations bad mouthing the corporation is grounds for immediate
termination as is insubordination. There is no such freedom as you have
described it.

That is exactly why we need unions. Any boss gets his panties in a bunch, he
rides the employee until the employee tells him just what an ass he really
is, so the employee, who is only human, loses his job because of some
egomaniacal twit with a tie.

Employers that make being a yes man a requirement for employment need to be
terminated.

mike

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...

In most corporations bad mouthing the corporation is grounds for immediate
termination as is insubordination. There is no such freedom as you have
described it.

"mike regish" wrote in message
...
That is exactly why we need unions. Any boss gets his panties in a bunch,
he rides the employee until the employee tells him just what an ass he
really is, so the employee, who is only human, loses his job because of
some egomaniacal twit with a tie.

And what forces the employee to stay? You need only to look in a mirror to
see the twit.

Employers that make being a yes man a requirement for employment need to
be terminated.

Nobody said anything about a yes man. You present the typical twisted union
attitude.

mike

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...

In most corporations bad mouthing the corporation is grounds for
immediate termination as is insubordination. There is no such freedom as
you have described it.

That is exactly why we need unions. Any boss gets his panties in a bunch, he
rides the employee until the employee tells him just what an ass he really
is, so the employee, who is only human, loses his job because of some
egomaniacal twit with a tie.

Mike, instead of cowering behind your union, you need to get out in
front of the curve, and really hang it out as the boss of your own
business. Maybe come up with a new way to make a better widget, and
set the world on fire. Really be a man, take some real risks, and face
the realities of the modern business world unprotected by union rules
that allow you to remain employed despite hating everything and
everyone around you.

Maybe it's time for you to see what it's like to trust your future and
your family's good fortune to employees that might care as little about
your company as you obviously do. It'll be an enlightening experience,
I assure you.

I think you've got the makings of a good entrepreneur. You've
certainly got the attitude.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I so know where you are coming from but it's so narrow minded. Why not
accept graciously that some people are bosses, some are workers, some
are artists, and some are priests. If everyone measured their self
worth on the same scale, this would be a pretty sad and boring life.

It takes a village. I enjoy living in it.

Jay Honeck wrote:
That is exactly why we need unions. Any boss gets his panties in a bunch, he
rides the employee until the employee tells him just what an ass he really
is, so the employee, who is only human, loses his job because of some
egomaniacal twit with a tie.


Mike, instead of cowering behind your union, you need to get out in
front of the curve, and really hang it out as the boss of your own
business. Maybe come up with a new way to make a better widget, and
set the world on fire. Really be a man, take some real risks, and face
the realities of the modern business world unprotected by union rules
that allow you to remain employed despite hating everything and
everyone around you.

Maybe it's time for you to see what it's like to trust your future and
your family's good fortune to employees that might care as little about
your company as you obviously do. It'll be an enlightening experience,
I assure you.

I think you've got the makings of a good entrepreneur. You've
certainly got the attitude.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
Really be a man, take some real risks, and face
the realities of the modern business world unprotected by union rules
that allow you to remain employed despite hating everything and
everyone around you.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mike regish"
To: "Jay Honeck"
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: Dress Code



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Honeck"
Really be a man, take some real risks, and face
the realities of the modern business world unprotected by union rules
that allow you to remain employed despite hating everything and
everyone around you.

I wasn't going to even respond to any of these posts, but this one says it
all and needs a response. Then I'll go bye-bye again and let all you happy
assholes (apologies to those of you who aren't, and you know who you are)
live on in your merry little dream worlds.

"Really be a man..."

What a telling comment. That's what it takes to be a man. So I guess to you
I am, along with all the other stiffs who punch a clock and make this
country run, a lesser human being-not worthy of your respect.

"Take some real risks..."

So those of us who don't crave financial risk are lesser beings than you
and
obviously not worthy of yours, or any other...what? business
owners?-respect. I
always show respect until I've been shown that it is not deserved. I don't
care who you are, who you think you are, or what your station is. That goes
across the board. Guess where you sit, not that you care since I'm just a
lowly worker.

Tell ya what Jay. You jump off a 6,000 foot mountain in a hang glider in 25
mph winds and I'll start a business. When you do, I want to be there to see
your knees knocking and the **** stain growing in your pants. Or better
yet,
forget the hang glider.

unprotected by union rules
that allow you to remain employed

Or maybe that protect me from abuse by the likes of you and your other
vastly superior risk taking, business owning buddies here. But, that's just
silly, isn't it Jay? You and
all those manly business owners would never abuse a lowly creature like me
now, would you? Poor pathetic things that we are. Must be nice to feel
superior because you can take a REAL risk like running a business.

despite hating everything and
everyone around you.

I have found, after holding many jobs, that the job itself has little to
nothing to do with liking what you do. It is the people you work with that
make a job enjoyable. And I just happen to work with some of the best
people, by far, that I have ever known. What makes this largely possible
is
the fact that, through the union, we are all brothers. We may bicker among
ourselves at times, but when attacked, just like sibling brothers, we stand
together. Because there is a union, we have none of the backstabbing
amongst
ourselves to get ourselves ahead at the expense of a coworker. When the
"manly" boss (I don't know, Jay. Are bosses "men" or just business owners?)
Unfortunately, I also work FOR some of the worst I've ever known, with a
few
exceptions. That's is changing, and before I'm through, it will change
more.
I can see by some of these responses that I still have a lot of work to do.

You don't know jack **** about me Jay, but I know a whole lot about you
now.
You don't know a whole lot about about a lot of things and, sadly, you
never will. It's not me who needs to look in a mirror.

Have a nice life Jay. Hope your gimmick lasts.

"mike regish" wrote in message .

I wasn't going to even respond to any of these posts,....

Wow, Jay, I guess he really told you! :-)

"mike regish" wrote in message
. ..
Tell ya what Jay. You jump off a 6,000 foot mountain in a hang glider in
25
mph winds and I'll start a business. When you do, I want to be there to
see
your knees knocking and the **** stain growing in your pants. Or better
yet, forget the hang glider.

Big ****in' deal... It's not like you have to worry about losing an
engine...

What makes this largely possible is the fact that, through the
union, we are all brothers.

Sounds pretty ****in' socialistic...

Grumman-581 wrote:
"mike regish" wrote in message
snip

What makes this largely possible is the fact that, through the
union, we are all brothers.

Sounds pretty ****in' socialistic...

Unfortunately, most people don't see anything wrong with that....