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Old September 21st 06, 04:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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large, very dumb corporations. If any further evidence of the need to
privatize the FAA is necessary, I will be very surprised.


I fail to see how privatization will fix the problem.


Because in a private company, without all the ridiculous "work rules"
that Federal employees can currently hide behind, insubordinate
employees can be effectively weeded out.

As it stands now, FAA management is obviously nothing but a paper
tiger. As an American taxpayer, I feel that this needs to change --
and I don't see any way for that to happen inside the Federal
government.

I wish it were otherwise, because I truly do believe that ATC should be
a governmental responsibility.
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Old September 21st 06, 08:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jay Honeck writes:

Because in a private company, without all the ridiculous "work rules"
that Federal employees can currently hide behind, insubordinate
employees can be effectively weeded out.


In a private company with a monopoly, prices can be raised and quality
can be lowered with impunity. Never privatize a monopoly.

I wish it were otherwise, because I truly do believe that ATC should be
a governmental responsibility.


I agree. Privatization would be a disaster. At least the government
has public interest in mind, instead of profit.

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Old September 22nd 06, 03:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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I agree. Privatization would be a disaster. At least the government
has public interest in mind, instead of profit.


!!!!!!????

I'd like to know what planet you're living on, because the one I
inhabit has NO government employees who aren't interested in profit.
At least I haven't met one, yet.

Thankfully, here in America the tradition of direct bribery and/or
extortion by government officials has never taken root -- but in some
cases I would actually prefer such a sharply defined method of doing
business. At least you'd know where you stood with people like that.

And I've met darned few government employees who have the "public
interest" in mind, now that I think about it. All they're interested
in is "procedure", "protocol", and their "pension" -- not necessarily
in that order -- and common sense and practicality be damned.

I could give you dozens of examples of what I'm talking about, but this
gets repetitive.
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Old September 22nd 06, 04:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jay Honeck wrote:

!!!!!!????

I'd like to know what planet you're living on, because the one I
inhabit has NO government employees who aren't interested in profit.
At least I haven't met one, yet.



I hope you weren't an English major. This isn't what you meant to say.
You got confused with all your negatives.



And I've met darned few government employees who have the "public
interest" in mind, now that I think about it.




That's just dumb. My job is 100% public interest. I have no product to
sell, I simply provide a service on a first come, first served basis.



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Old September 22nd 06, 04:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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I hope you weren't an English major. This isn't what you meant to say.
You got confused with all your negatives.


I ain't not no more, dang it.

I was sputtering in writing, I was so taken aback by the question!

;-)

And I've met darned few government employees who have the "public
interest" in mind, now that I think about it.


That's just dumb. My job is 100% public interest. I have no product to
sell, I simply provide a service on a first come, first served basis.


I'm talking personal profit, as in pay, pension, and job security. In
my experience, government entities (and their employees) are primarily
concerned with self-replication, not "public interest".
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Old September 22nd 06, 05:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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I'm talking personal profit, as in pay, pension, and job security. In
my experience, government entities (and their employees) are primarily
concerned with self-replication, not "public interest".


You think your employees are different? They are doing it for the paycheck. Don't believe me? Ask them if they would work for you for nothing, just for the public service of helping to keep the rooms clean.

Jose
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Old September 22nd 06, 06:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:42:33 GMT, Jose
wrote:

I'm talking personal profit, as in pay, pension, and job security. In
my experience, government entities (and their employees) are primarily
concerned with self-replication, not "public interest".


You think your employees are different? They are doing it for the paycheck. Don't believe me? Ask them if they would work for you for nothing, just for the public service of helping to keep the rooms clean.

Jose


Jose, for the last week or so, using Agent as my newsreader. your
posts fail to wordwrap. Is that something I can fix on my end?

Don
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Old September 22nd 06, 04:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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I'm talking personal profit, as in pay, pension, and job security. In
my experience, government entities (and their employees) are primarily
concerned with self-replication, not "public interest".


You think your employees are different? They are doing it for the paycheck. Don't believe me? Ask them if they would work for you for nothing, just for the public service of helping to keep the rooms clean.


Of course they aren't different, in that regard. But, unlike the
Gummint, we don't go around pretending to be doing stuff for the
"public good" when, in fact, it's being done to line their pockets and
to perpetuate their own existence.

You, as a citizen, also have a CHOICE as to whether you pay for my
employees salaries (by choosing to stay here), unlike the coercion
perpetuated by a government that makes us pay for their employees (I'm
referring to all gummint employees -- not just ATC) whether we use them
or not.

Really, when you get right down to it, comparing employees from the
private sector with the public sector is ridiculous. One group is
highly efficient merit-based employment, while the other is
cradle-to-grave employment. There is simply no comparison between the
two.
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Old September 22nd 06, 05:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Newps" wrote in message
. ..

That's just dumb. My job is 100% public interest. I have no product to
sell, I simply provide a service on a first come, first served basis.

And your motive is?



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Old September 22nd 06, 04:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jay Honeck writes:

I'd like to know what planet you're living on, because the one I
inhabit has NO government employees who aren't interested in profit.
At least I haven't met one, yet.


Most government employees care nothing about profit, at least in the
developed world.

Thankfully, here in America the tradition of direct bribery and/or
extortion by government officials has never taken root -- but in some
cases I would actually prefer such a sharply defined method of doing
business. At least you'd know where you stood with people like that.


Corrupt countries are universally poor.

And I've met darned few government employees who have the "public
interest" in mind, now that I think about it. All they're interested
in is "procedure", "protocol", and their "pension" -- not necessarily
in that order -- and common sense and practicality be damned.


But I said government, not government employees.

I know it's fashionable to knock public servants, but some of them
really do believe in the work they are doing, and public service is
important to them.

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