Dress Code

Bear in mind that firing someone can be very difficult even in
private companies without any unions to deal with.

I know. I've worked inside some big 'uns, and I've had to fire people
that were clearly incompetent (and in one case, downright dangerous) --
and it took more paperwork than an ADIZ violation.

But at least you can do it. Most of our friends are government
employees, and we hear stories all the time about employees who sleep
at their desks, or don't come in at all, and are never disciplined in
any way. One of their favorite jokes to tell is that they could kill
someone, and -- as long as it occurred on the job -- they would only
receive "anger counseling"...

The bureaucracy -- the part of our government that is REALLY in charge,
and survives untouched from election to election -- is a real mess, and
each of us pays for it every day.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I'm talking personal profit, as in pay, pension, and job security. In
my experience, government entities (and their employees) are primarily
concerned with self-replication, not "public interest".

You think your employees are different? They are doing it for the paycheck. Don't believe me? Ask them if they would work for you for nothing, just for the public service of helping to keep the rooms clean.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:42:33 GMT, Jose
wrote:

I'm talking personal profit, as in pay, pension, and job security. In
my experience, government entities (and their employees) are primarily
concerned with self-replication, not "public interest".

You think your employees are different? They are doing it for the paycheck. Don't believe me? Ask them if they would work for you for nothing, just for the public service of helping to keep the rooms clean.

Jose

Jose, for the last week or so, using Agent as my newsreader. your
posts fail to wordwrap. Is that something I can fix on my end?

Don

"mike regish" wrote in message .

I wasn't going to even respond to any of these posts,....

Wow, Jay, I guess he really told you! :-)

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:17:36 GMT, Don Tuite
wrote in
:

using Agent as my newsreader. your
posts fail to wordwrap. Is that something I can fix on my end?

Select Word Wrap on the View pull-down menu.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

These jokes from a country where "French Fries" were actually renamed
"Freedom Fries" in government establishments just because France
opposed a war that has turned out to be wrong and a desaster for
exactly the reasons France and other countries cited at its start,

were that those reasons were the only ones...

Were it that those reasons were even correct. Were it that the reasons were
ACTUALLY that France had so many sweetheart deals with Saddam?

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:40:01 -0600, Newps wrote:

http://vanityfairmusings.blogspot.co...n-hall-of.html

I don't get it. While some of them are amusing, many seem quite normal.
What's wrong with that tux, for example? A little flashy for me, but...

And, okay, so I don't wear white shoes. Other people do.

Nike's!

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
t...

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...

Insubordination is refusing to obey orders. No one ever said you can't
make fun of your CEO. Ours has really bad hair, and we all know it and
have made comments. It doesn't mean we deserve to be fired.

If there is a corporate policy against such comments you could be
terminated. It also falls under harassment which is certainly a hot
button of recent years.

Harassment may be against company policy (at least for the lower
echelons) but it certainly isn't illegal/a-legal-issue (which is the
topic...isn't it?)

It certainly is illegal. There have been a number of landmark cases with
significant judgements.

Yes, for sexual (until MonicaGate) or racial/ethnic, etc., but not just
general harassment.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Because in a private company, without all the ridiculous "work rules"
that Federal employees can currently hide behind, insubordinate
employees can be effectively weeded out.

Bear in mind that firing someone can be very difficult even in
private companies without any unions to deal with.

If the person is in a protected class (handicapped, minority), yes.


Keep in mind, too, that just 42 Federal employees (outside the military)
were fired in 2002 (last year I saw stats) and of those, quite a few were
for issues outside of work (i.e., being in jail for other offenses and
unable to come to work for a few months/years).

In 2004, the state of Colorado fired ONE person, though this year at least
they fired Ward Churchill.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Bear in mind that firing someone can be very difficult even in
private companies without any unions to deal with.

I know. I've worked inside some big 'uns, and I've had to fire people
that were clearly incompetent (and in one case, downright dangerous) --
and it took more paperwork than an ADIZ violation.

But at least you can do it. Most of our friends are government
employees, and we hear stories all the time about employees who sleep
at their desks, or don't come in at all, and are never disciplined in
any way. One of their favorite jokes to tell is that they could kill
someone, and -- as long as it occurred on the job -- they would only
receive "anger counseling"...

The bureaucracy -- the part of our government that is REALLY in charge,
and survives untouched from election to election -- is a real mess, and
each of us pays for it every day.

Makes on long for the old Spoils System (no, seriously). At least we didn't
have career bureaucrats perpetuating their positions.
http://www.mises.org/etexts/mises/bureaucracy.asp


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)