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Old September 22nd 06, 08:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Well, you can hope and dream all you want, but only 3 hours
of training in basic instrument procedures is required for a
private pilot certificate. Even good instrument rated pilots
(the best ones) set personal minimums until they gain a certain
number of hours of instrument flying to gain confidence....
and that is without an instructor in the right seat.


Agree 100 percent with the above.

Finding yourself in the dead middle of hard IMC with only
3 hours of training can be disasterous as this sad event
illustrates. If you think these 3 hours will save your life
if you get into a situation like that you are whistling past
a graveyard.


and here is my take on training.

It shoudl be *required* that every VFR pilot experience actual IMC in
the three hours as part of their VFR training, to recognize and see the
real dangers of IMC.

I took a VFR only pilot up doing some approaches in actual conditions,
and by the time we landed, his eyes were big as saucers, and also came
out of it with a fuller respect for IMC conditions. We had 1.1 hours
of hard IMC out of 1.5 hours of flying.

It was bumpy inside the clag, and by the time we landed, he even said,
I'm not so sure I could have handled it by myself. He also said, had
he not purposely focused on the intruments, he wouldn't have know which
way was up. Never mind trying to handle the controls, it was
overwhelming just experiencing it.

Nothing like the real thing.....

Allen

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Old September 23rd 06, 01:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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wrote in message
oups.com...
It shoudl be *required* that every VFR pilot experience actual IMC in
the three hours as part of their VFR training, to recognize and see the
real dangers of IMC.


One reason that IMC isn't even required for an instrument rating (let alone
for a private pilot certificate) is that (benign) IMC is rare in many parts
of the country. In those places, an IMC requirement would make it all but
impossible to become a pilot.

--Gary


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Old September 23rd 06, 03:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:47:46 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
wrote in
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wrote in message
roups.com...
It shoudl be *required* that every VFR pilot experience actual IMC in
the three hours as part of their VFR training, to recognize and see the
real dangers of IMC.


One reason that IMC isn't even required for an instrument rating (let alone
for a private pilot certificate) is that (benign) IMC is rare in many parts
of the country. In those places, an IMC requirement would make it all but
impossible to become a pilot.


Wouldn't a requirement for IMC operation for a Private certificate
make it impossible for a CFI to recommend a student for examination?
If such a requirement were in effect, a CFII could be necessary.
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Old September 23rd 06, 04:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Wouldn't a requirement for IMC operation for a Private certificate
make it impossible for a CFI to recommend a student for examination?
If such a requirement were in effect, a CFII could be necessary.


I don't think you have to be a CIF to instruct a student in IMC. And in any
case, if the FAA were to change the rags to create a PP IMC requirement,
they could just make any necessary change to the CFI rules too.

--Gary


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Old September 23rd 06, 04:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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I don't think you have to be a CIF


Oops, overactive spell-checker. That was originally 'CFII'.

--Gary


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Old September 23rd 06, 04:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:07:47 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .
Wouldn't a requirement for IMC operation for a Private certificate
make it impossible for a CFI to recommend a student for examination?
If such a requirement were in effect, a CFII could be necessary.


I don't think you have to be a CIF to instruct a student in IMC.


What is a CIF?

And in any case, if the FAA were to change the rags to create a PP IMC requirement,
they could just make any necessary change to the CFI rules too.


If CFI's were authorized to instruct students in IMC, there would be
no need for CFIIs. Or am I overlooking something here?


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Old September 23rd 06, 04:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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If CFI's were authorized to instruct students in IMC, there would be
no need for CFIIs. Or am I overlooking something here?


Yes. The training doesn't count toward an instrument rating unless it's
given by a CFII. But (as far as I know) CFIs can provide IMC training for
purposes of PP emergency-IMC preparedness.

--Gary


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Old September 23rd 06, 04:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:24:52 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .
If CFI's were authorized to instruct students in IMC, there would be
no need for CFIIs. Or am I overlooking something here?


Yes. The training doesn't count toward an instrument rating unless it's
given by a CFII. But (as far as I know) CFIs can provide IMC training for
purposes of PP emergency-IMC preparedness.


In that case, the CFI would be the sole PIC, and the CFI would have to
hold an instrument rating, but would be only demonstrating IMC
operations, not actually instructing in them?

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Old September 26th 06, 07:50 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
One reason that IMC isn't even required for an instrument rating (let

alone
for a private pilot certificate) is that (benign) IMC is rare in many

parts
of the country. In those places, an IMC requirement would make it all but
impossible to become a pilot.


On the other hand, I've seen level-5 thunderstorms come through and
technically it was still VFR... Not that I would have even pulled my
airplane out of the hangar at those times...

That's kind of the reason that I haven't been that serious about getting my
instrument rating... Around here, usually if the weather is bad enough to be
IFR, I don't really want to be up in it... Sometimes we get the mild IFR
conditions where it's just low clouds and such, but it sure does seem like
everytime I get weathered out of a flight, it's not somthing I would want to
be going up in even with an instument rating...


 




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