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Well, you can hope and dream all you want, but only 3 hours
of training in basic instrument procedures is required for a private pilot certificate. Even good instrument rated pilots (the best ones) set personal minimums until they gain a certain number of hours of instrument flying to gain confidence.... and that is without an instructor in the right seat. Agree 100 percent with the above. Finding yourself in the dead middle of hard IMC with only 3 hours of training can be disasterous as this sad event illustrates. If you think these 3 hours will save your life if you get into a situation like that you are whistling past a graveyard. and here is my take on training. It shoudl be *required* that every VFR pilot experience actual IMC in the three hours as part of their VFR training, to recognize and see the real dangers of IMC. I took a VFR only pilot up doing some approaches in actual conditions, and by the time we landed, his eyes were big as saucers, and also came out of it with a fuller respect for IMC conditions. We had 1.1 hours of hard IMC out of 1.5 hours of flying. It was bumpy inside the clag, and by the time we landed, he even said, I'm not so sure I could have handled it by myself. He also said, had he not purposely focused on the intruments, he wouldn't have know which way was up. Never mind trying to handle the controls, it was overwhelming just experiencing it. Nothing like the real thing..... Allen |
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oups.com... It shoudl be *required* that every VFR pilot experience actual IMC in the three hours as part of their VFR training, to recognize and see the real dangers of IMC. One reason that IMC isn't even required for an instrument rating (let alone for a private pilot certificate) is that (benign) IMC is rare in many parts of the country. In those places, an IMC requirement would make it all but impossible to become a pilot. --Gary |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:47:46 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
wrote in : wrote in message roups.com... It shoudl be *required* that every VFR pilot experience actual IMC in the three hours as part of their VFR training, to recognize and see the real dangers of IMC. One reason that IMC isn't even required for an instrument rating (let alone for a private pilot certificate) is that (benign) IMC is rare in many parts of the country. In those places, an IMC requirement would make it all but impossible to become a pilot. Wouldn't a requirement for IMC operation for a Private certificate make it impossible for a CFI to recommend a student for examination? If such a requirement were in effect, a CFII could be necessary. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
... Wouldn't a requirement for IMC operation for a Private certificate make it impossible for a CFI to recommend a student for examination? If such a requirement were in effect, a CFII could be necessary. I don't think you have to be a CIF to instruct a student in IMC. And in any case, if the FAA were to change the rags to create a PP IMC requirement, they could just make any necessary change to the CFI rules too. --Gary |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
. .. I don't think you have to be a CIF Oops, overactive spell-checker. That was originally 'CFII'. --Gary |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:07:47 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
wrote in : "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . Wouldn't a requirement for IMC operation for a Private certificate make it impossible for a CFI to recommend a student for examination? If such a requirement were in effect, a CFII could be necessary. I don't think you have to be a CIF to instruct a student in IMC. What is a CIF? And in any case, if the FAA were to change the rags to create a PP IMC requirement, they could just make any necessary change to the CFI rules too. If CFI's were authorized to instruct students in IMC, there would be no need for CFIIs. Or am I overlooking something here? |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
... If CFI's were authorized to instruct students in IMC, there would be no need for CFIIs. Or am I overlooking something here? Yes. The training doesn't count toward an instrument rating unless it's given by a CFII. But (as far as I know) CFIs can provide IMC training for purposes of PP emergency-IMC preparedness. --Gary |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:24:52 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
wrote in : "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . If CFI's were authorized to instruct students in IMC, there would be no need for CFIIs. Or am I overlooking something here? Yes. The training doesn't count toward an instrument rating unless it's given by a CFII. But (as far as I know) CFIs can provide IMC training for purposes of PP emergency-IMC preparedness. In that case, the CFI would be the sole PIC, and the CFI would have to hold an instrument rating, but would be only demonstrating IMC operations, not actually instructing in them? |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
... One reason that IMC isn't even required for an instrument rating (let alone for a private pilot certificate) is that (benign) IMC is rare in many parts of the country. In those places, an IMC requirement would make it all but impossible to become a pilot. On the other hand, I've seen level-5 thunderstorms come through and technically it was still VFR... Not that I would have even pulled my airplane out of the hangar at those times... That's kind of the reason that I haven't been that serious about getting my instrument rating... Around here, usually if the weather is bad enough to be IFR, I don't really want to be up in it... Sometimes we get the mild IFR conditions where it's just low clouds and such, but it sure does seem like everytime I get weathered out of a flight, it's not somthing I would want to be going up in even with an instument rating... |
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