Rudder for final runway alignment (?)

Peter, without intending insult to anyone, do you feel the the futility of
continuing this thread? I read your posts as attempting to debate the
subtlety of music with a deaf person who has never the less studied music
books for years.

This thread reminds me of a CFI friend who raved about his new student
following a first lesson. The student ace'd the written and his years of MS
sim flying made him really smooth. There was no doubt he'd solo fast. After
the second flight my friend complained that the student wasn't looking
outside enough and had no feel for the controls. Following the third flight,
during a portion of which he covered the panel with the sectional, my friend
came back wondering if the student would even make it to solo. In the end
the student did ok and made his PPL in about average time. The lesson I
walked away with is that books and simulation can make you Talk the Talk,
but seldom Walk the Walk.

The best I think Mxsmanic can do at this time is to pony up the money for
three flight lessons, and the sim will "feel" very different from then on.
Depending on the age, money can come from birthday cash, early holiday
(christmas?) gift, or a credit card (30 euro dollar per month min payoff).
Little risk, lots of gain. Good flight.

"Mike Isaksen" wrote in message
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Peter, without intending insult to anyone, do you feel the the futility of
continuing this thread? [...]

No insult taken. If anything, I deserve a bit of harassment for being
willing to continue the "dialogue" as far as I have. You'll note a previous
message (particularly, my comments toward the end):
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8?dmode=source

[...]
The best I think Mxsmanic can do at this time is to pony up the money for
three flight lessons, and the sim will "feel" very different from then on.

If he were so-inclined, you're right that it would. However, he's made it
abundantly clear that he doesn't have what it takes to even go for an
introductory flight, never mind any serious flight training.

Why I didn't take that as a clue earlier regarding his intransigence with
respect to other knowledge-expanding activities, I can't say. Honest, I'm
not usually this optimistic.

Pete

Peter Duniho writes:

If he were so-inclined, you're right that it would. However, he's made it
abundantly clear that he doesn't have what it takes to even go for an
introductory flight, never mind any serious flight training.

Quite so. No money, no time, can't even pass the physical I suspect.
Be glad that your situation is different.

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Mxsmanic,

Quite so. No money, no time, can't even pass the physical I suspect.
Be glad that your situation is different.


Some, even most, is in your power to change. It's just that you chose
not to.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Mike Isaksen" wrote:
This thread reminds me of a CFI friend who raved about his new student
following a first lesson.
....

That little story reminds me of the definition of anecdotal evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Mike Isaksen writes:

This thread reminds me of a CFI friend who raved about his new student
following a first lesson. The student ace'd the written and his years of MS
sim flying made him really smooth. There was no doubt he'd solo fast. After
the second flight my friend complained that the student wasn't looking
outside enough and had no feel for the controls. Following the third flight,
during a portion of which he covered the panel with the sectional, my friend
came back wondering if the student would even make it to solo. In the end
the student did ok and made his PPL in about average time. The lesson I
walked away with is that books and simulation can make you Talk the Talk,
but seldom Walk the Walk.

It works both ways. You learn from what you have. If you have a sim
with reliable instruments, moderately good visuals, and no motion,
you'll learn to fly by instruments, with some help from looking out
the window, and with no attention paid at all to motion. If you want
to fly for real, you'll have to counteract that tendency.

But the opposite problem can also exist. If you learn to fly in a
real plane with minimal instruments, always in clear weather, you get
used to looking out the window or "feeling" the plane's movements, and
you are less likely to look at those pesky instruments. So then you
have to force yourself to look at them when it becomes necessary to
use them.

The interesting thing is that IFR is always possible in VMC, but VFR
is not possible in IMC. So if you know your instruments, you can
always fly, but if you don't, you're in trouble if VMC disappears one
day during a flight.

I still can't believe the recording I listened to a few days ago in
which some pilot was screaming that he was lost and clearly feared
that he was about to die. He had passed from VMC into a cloud or
something, and apparently he had never looked at his instruments
before in his life ... or at least that's the impression I got. Why
not just glance at the artificial horizon and see if you really are
sideways before the panic attack?

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In rec.aviation.student Mxsmanic wrote:

I still can't believe the recording I listened to a few days ago in
which some pilot was screaming that he was lost and clearly feared
that he was about to die. He had passed from VMC into a cloud or
something, and apparently he had never looked at his instruments
before in his life ... or at least that's the impression I got. Why
not just glance at the artificial horizon and see if you really are
sideways before the panic attack?

Passing into a cloud isn't always (or even often) just a matter of
the windows going white. It sometimes is accompanied by rather violent
turbulance. If you let the plane get sideways (it can happen pretty
fast) looking at the sideways AI if you're not used to looking at it
can be pretty confusing (and scary).

--
Don Poitras

Mike,

Depending on the age, money can come from birthday cash, early holiday
(christmas?) gift, or a credit card (30 euro dollar per month min payoff).


Work. You forgot good, honest work as a source.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Mike,

Depending on the age, money can come from birthday cash, early holiday
(christmas?) gift, or a credit card (30 euro dollar per month min
payoff).


Work. You forgot good, honest work as a source.

He is in France. It's against the law.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Dave,

He is in France. It's against the law.


See my comments in this thread (or another manic thread) about attempts
at humor by Americans about the French...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)