Federal Aviation Administration to cut more air traffic controllers

John Mazor wrote:
"Judah" wrote in message
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JohnSmith wrote in news:eaeRg.21555$eW5.17847
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Incorrect. It is an issue. Fatigued controller working a
double shift without proper rest combined with the FAA
violating their own staffing orders at KLEX.

Irrelevant. Taking off and landing safely is the pilot's responsibility.
The
presence or absence of a tower, a controller, or even a runway is
irrelevant.


Really? Then why bother having them?

Of course the crew had primary responsibility, although the anomalies in
airport markings and notices and layout will play a role, too.

The point about the ATC role goes to redundancy, not the crew's actions. If
the controller had been able to stick to just one of his two jobs, he might
have noticed the errant takeoff and warned the crew. There was a fairly
recent posting in one of the aviation groups of exactly the same incident -
same airport, same runways confused by a regional airliner crew - 13 years
ago. The crew and the controller caught it at about the same time. This
time neither did, but the controller couldn't have caught it because by then
he was engaged in other duties - the job that should have been performed by
the second (required) controller.

This is not to excuse the crew's oversight, but redundancy is an essential
pillar of our safety system. It's prevented far, far more accidents than
have occurred. Redundancy failures often are part of the chain of events
that has to occur before you actually get an accident. The secret to
airline safety's excellent record is identifying the links that can make up
such a chain, and fixing or preventing them.


It is a HUGE issue. The word is Liability. Look it up.

In the US, anyone can sue anyone for anything with pretty much no risk.
For
example, if it bothers you so much that there are black homosexuals in the
FAA, you are certainly able to sue.


The FAA has been successfully sued as part of post-acciident liabilities,
and we're not talking chump change, either. Furthermore, there are other
"liabilities" involved - the PR and political price to be paid when an FAA
screw-up results in an accident, expecially one with many fatalities.


Just please stop ranting about it here.


Safety isn't his agenda here.

To blame this accident on an FAA "social engineering" program is like saying
that the reason that Johnny can't read is because he had to listen to a
classroom discussion of African-American history. He's using a legitimate
safety issue as an excuse to plaster aviation newsgroups with racist crap.



FAA is cutting funding for Air Traffic controllers BUT they
are continuing to fund social feel good meetings at Black
only gatherings at Resort Spas.

http://www.nbcfae.org/2006AnnualTraining.htm

And do you really think that identifying that anomaly in FAA
funding and staffing priorities makes a person racist?

How do you define "Whistle blowing"?
How do you define Discrimination?
What is Reverse Racism to you?
Define poor funding priorities in Air Safety?

Did you know the FAA will not allow Anglo/Saxon only social
groups?

Is that not racist???

Did you know there are laws protecting whistle blowers
especially if it involves safety of human life?

What is more important for National Air Safety?

Additional Air traffic Controllers or Black only social
gatherings at resort spas??

Which one???

Don't have the balls to answer Mr.PC Brainwashed person??

No doubt you are Black or Gay or have been mind programmed
so long by PC brainwashing that the identification of ANY
minority SCAM makes that person automatically racist.

You poor unable to form your own thought Government School
educated brainwashed *******.

Freedom has left your soul
You are blinded by the PC God of Distortion

Reminder- It is called Freedom of Speech here in America

As long as the FAA discriminates against Anglo-Saxon
Heterosexual males of European ancestry our group will not
go away.

EVER

"BillClinton" wrote in message
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John Mazor wrote:

To blame this accident on an FAA "social engineering" program is like
saying that the reason that Johnny can't read is because he had to listen
to a classroom discussion of African-American history. He's using a
legitimate safety issue as an excuse to plaster aviation newsgroups with
racist crap.

FAA is cutting funding for Air Traffic controllers BUT they are continuing
to fund social feel good meetings at Black only gatherings at Resort Spas.

http://www.nbcfae.org/2006AnnualTraining.htm

And do you really think that identifying that anomaly in FAA funding and
staffing priorities makes a person racist?

The way you have presented it, yes.

How do you define "Whistle blowing"?
How do you define Discrimination?
What is Reverse Racism to you?

What is racism? It's what we see here in your posted crap.

Define poor funding priorities in Air Safety?

The list of examples of, and reasons for poor funding prioritie in aviation
safety is so long that the one item that you have a hard on for is
insignificant.

Did you know the FAA will not allow Anglo/Saxon only social groups?

They also do not permit all-male hiring policies. So what? Exactly what is
it that an all-Anglo-Saxon social group could accomplish that can't be done
if non-Anglo-Saxons are allowed to be present?

Is that not racist???

No. It tends to prevent racist activities. Duh.

Did you know there are laws protecting whistle blowers especially if it
involves safety of human life?

Yes. So what? The story came to light, didn't it?

What is more important for National Air Safety?

Additional Air traffic Controllers or Black only social gatherings at
resort spas??

So if FAA stopped that program, we'd have enough controllers? Or even more
controllers? Bwha-wha-wha-wha! Gawd, your naivete is exceeded only by your
racist cant. Arguing from your lack of political acumen is the Internet
equivalent of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Don't have the balls to answer Mr.PC Brainwashed person??

I just did, Mr. Crow.

No doubt you are Black or Gay or have been mind programmed so long by PC
brainwashing that the identification of ANY minority SCAM makes that
person automatically racist.

When it's presented the way you have here, it's racism, not safety.

You poor unable to form your own thought Government School educated
brainwashed *******.

You have done well, glasshoppah, to master the technique of cutting and
pasting from "The Maroon's Guide to Racist Taunts and Other Irrelevant
Answers" - I see many such examples in your posting. I particularly like
your use of accusatory Items 6, 23, 31, and 61, and the ironic choice of
your nom de Web here. I must, however, dock you points for omitting Item 4,
where you would accuse me of being Jewish - confer with your anti-semitic
colleagues on the advantages of that rant - and the ever-popular Item 9,
where you would accuse me of being a paid shill for The eViL GuMMinT. So
you only get a B-minus here, but don't let that discourage you in your quest
for complete ignorance.

Freedom has left your soul
You are blinded by the PC God of Distortion

Not only do I curse PC, I doubly curse maroons like you that gave rise to
it.

Reminder- It is called Freedom of Speech here in America

Freedom of speech is both a two-edged sword, and our most precious freedom.

It's a two-edged sword because it means that maroons like you have access to
the marketplace of ideas, even if what you're peddling is the argumentive
equivalent of rotten fish.

It's our most precious freedom because of the heavy price we pay: letting
maroons like you annoy us.

As long as the FAA discriminates against Anglo-Saxon Heterosexual males of
European ancestry our group will not go away.

Close, but your Know Nothing argumentative skills still leave much to be
desired. The correct answer is, "As long as loser maroons like you can
manage to cover the cost of a third-hand computer and $10 a month in ISP
charges to post anonymously (and, in your case, using identifiable sock
puppets), then you and your ilk will continue to go trolling with outrageous
crap that you may or may not actually believe."