CFII Loses Medical

You only need 15 hours of CFII instruction before your checkride. In
theory the CFII could sit in the back offering advice, not logging
dual, while a private pilot sits in the rigtht seat and acts as safety
pilot (since you can not put on the hood while your CFII non-medical
guy is in the right seat).

-Robert


Bob Chilcoat wrote:
I'm roughly 15 hours into my Instrument training, with a friend who is a
former Eastern and Kiwi pilot. Yesterday he had triple bypass surgery. We
discussed what to do, since I would like to continue my training with him.
We seem to be very compatible.

As far as either of us can tell from the FARs, little has changed except
that he can no longer serve as PIC, which means that I will need to fly with
someone else in IMC. However, it is not completely clear about simulated
instrument conditions. Sec. 91.109 states that:

"No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument
flight unless--
(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who
possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class
ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown."

No mention is made as to whether or not that "possessed" certificate needs
to be current. Furthermore we can find nothing elsewhere in the regulations
about this. Any thoughts? Can I fly with my foggles on, with Ken in the
right seat?

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

Robert M. Gary wrote:

theory the CFII could sit in the back offering advice, not logging
dual,

if he is instructing, he logs the time; nowhere does it say he
has to do it from the front seat...

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

theory the CFII could sit in the back offering advice, not logging
dual,

if he is instructing, he logs the time; nowhere does it say he
has to do it from the front seat...

I think you are stretching the FARs a bit. Are you saying you think its
ok to give instruction when there are dual controls but the instructor
can't access them? I don't think that would hold up in court.

91.109
(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft (except a manned free
balloon) that is being used for flight instruction unless that aircraft
has fully functioning dual controls. ...

Robert M. Gary wrote:

I think you are stretching the FARs a bit. Are you saying you think its
ok to give instruction when there are dual controls but the instructor
can't access them?

yes. That said I don't think it mattered in this case -- the instructor
most probably didn't log (past a few tens of thousands of hours) and
the flight didn't have to be an instruction flight.

91.109
(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft (except a manned free
balloon) that is being used for flight instruction unless that aircraft
has fully functioning dual controls. ...

there is more to it than the intro you just quoted.

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

I think you are stretching the FARs a bit. Are you saying you think its
ok to give instruction when there are dual controls but the instructor
can't access them?

yes. That said I don't think it mattered in this case -- the instructor
most probably didn't log (past a few tens of thousands of hours) and
the flight didn't have to be an instruction flight.

91.109
(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft (except a manned free
balloon) that is being used for flight instruction unless that aircraft
has fully functioning dual controls. ...

there is more to it than the intro you just quoted.

Yes, I left out the part about throw over controls (hence the ...).
You're trying to change the subject. The fact is it would be a very
large stretch from the FARs to say a CFII can log dual while sitting in
the back of the plane.

-Robert

The fact is it would be a very
large stretch from the FARs to say a CFII
can log dual while sitting in
the back of the plane.

Why? While unusual, I don't see the problem at all. The instructor is
not required for the flight to be safe. The pilot in command is seated
at a control seat. Instruction can very effectively take place from the
back seat.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
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Robert M. Gary wrote:


Yes, I left out the part about throw over controls (hence the ...).
You're trying to change the subject. The fact is it would be a very
large stretch from the FARs to say a CFII can log dual while sitting in
the back of the plane.

Throw over controls...that brings up an off-topic but amusing story.
Yesterday, Margy and I were being given a ride in a friend's Seabee.
Since we were departing from the water, we had boarded through the
bow door and hence the right control yoke had been removed. After
takeoff the pilot asked if I wanted to fly. "Margy, pass Ron the
control yoke for his side." Took me a minute to figure out how to
install it, but I got it in.