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Old October 1st 06, 10:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Stefan
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Default NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

Larry Dighera schrieb:

A more experienced pilot who had studied the aux tank system may have
been able to mentally diagnose the cause of the fuel venting.


He did everything by the book, but the book was wrong. A pilot is not
supposed to assume that an FAA approved book is wrong! In fact, I'm
scared of pilots who establish their own ad hoc procedures because they
think they know better than the book.

Stefan
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Old October 1st 06, 11:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:20:13 +0200, Stefan
wrote in :

Larry Dighera schrieb:

A more experienced pilot who had studied the aux tank system may have
been able to mentally diagnose the cause of the fuel venting.


He did everything by the book, but the book was wrong. A pilot is not
supposed to assume that an FAA approved book is wrong! In fact, I'm
scared of pilots who establish their own ad hoc procedures because they
think they know better than the book.

Stefan


What you say is true enough. And so is what I said.

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Old October 1st 06, 11:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Emily
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Default NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

Stefan wrote:
Larry Dighera schrieb:

A more experienced pilot who had studied the aux tank system may have
been able to mentally diagnose the cause of the fuel venting.


He did everything by the book, but the book was wrong. A pilot is not
supposed to assume that an FAA approved book is wrong! In fact, I'm
scared of pilots who establish their own ad hoc procedures because they
think they know better than the book.


You're completely right. I'm an A&P, but I'm not going to sit up there
in IMC miles from land and try to diagnose a fuel problem if the other
option is heading for land and landing ASAP.
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Old October 2nd 06, 01:18 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Emily wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Larry Dighera schrieb:

A more experienced pilot who had studied the aux tank system may have
been able to mentally diagnose the cause of the fuel venting.



He did everything by the book, but the book was wrong. A pilot is not
supposed to assume that an FAA approved book is wrong! In fact, I'm
scared of pilots who establish their own ad hoc procedures because
they think they know better than the book.



You're completely right. I'm an A&P, but I'm not going to sit up there
in IMC miles from land and try to diagnose a fuel problem if the other
option is heading for land and landing ASAP.


As an engineer, I'd do both! :-)

Matt
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Old October 2nd 06, 01:24 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:40:52 -0500, Emily
wrote in
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I'm not going to sit up there in IMC miles from
land and try to diagnose a fuel problem


Right. You'd have studied the fuel system while you were on the
ground.
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Old October 2nd 06, 01:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Default NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

Stefan wrote:
Larry Dighera schrieb:

A more experienced pilot who had studied the aux tank system may have
been able to mentally diagnose the cause of the fuel venting.



He did everything by the book, but the book was wrong. A pilot is not
supposed to assume that an FAA approved book is wrong! In fact, I'm
scared of pilots who establish their own ad hoc procedures because they
think they know better than the book.


So you think Al Haynes and crew screwed with their DC-10 improvisation?
Personally, I think it is imperative that pilots create their own ad
hoc procedures when the book is wrong or nonexistent. I'm much more
afraid of pilots who keep doing what the book says and are afraid to
think and improvise.

Matt
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Old October 2nd 06, 02:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Emily
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Default NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

Matt Whiting wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Larry Dighera schrieb:

A more experienced pilot who had studied the aux tank system may have
been able to mentally diagnose the cause of the fuel venting.



He did everything by the book, but the book was wrong. A pilot is not
supposed to assume that an FAA approved book is wrong! In fact, I'm
scared of pilots who establish their own ad hoc procedures because
they think they know better than the book.


So you think Al Haynes and crew screwed with their DC-10 improvisation?


Al Haynes' situation was a little different. He had multiple crew
members and a lot of backup on the ground. A single pilot doesn't
usually have the time to do troubleshooting like the United crew did.
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Old October 2nd 06, 02:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
john smith
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In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:

Stefan wrote:
Larry Dighera schrieb:

A more experienced pilot who had studied the aux tank system may have
been able to mentally diagnose the cause of the fuel venting.



He did everything by the book, but the book was wrong. A pilot is not
supposed to assume that an FAA approved book is wrong! In fact, I'm
scared of pilots who establish their own ad hoc procedures because they
think they know better than the book.


So you think Al Haynes and crew screwed with their DC-10 improvisation?
Personally, I think it is imperative that pilots create their own ad
hoc procedures when the book is wrong or nonexistent. I'm much more
afraid of pilots who keep doing what the book says and are afraid to
think and improvise.


The problem with that statement is that many GA pilots haven't even read
the book to know what it says.
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Old October 2nd 06, 05:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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Default NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

john smith wrote:
The problem with that statement is that many GA pilots haven't even
read the book to know what it says.


What's the ISBN of this book?
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Old October 2nd 06, 05:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:41:50 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote in :

john smith wrote:
The problem with that statement is that many GA pilots haven't even
read the book to know what it says.


What's the ISBN of this book?


I believe Mr. Smith is referring to the aircraft's POH.
 




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