NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

The fact is, you're always going to get flamed, no matter what you do.
You can't worry about it.

I agree. What's to worry about? Flames aren't fatal. They don't even
hurt. :-)

Well, as you know I am immune to flames, too -- but I often hear from
"lurkers" who say they don't post for fear of getting lambasted.

Not everyone is a thick-skinned as we are, and -- if we want GA to grow
-- we need to be welcoming everyone into this group with open arms, not
poison pens.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Back in my day (your day too - I think we are about the same age) a
little lambasting built character...

Now get out there and get your freakn' Instrument Rating!! ;-)

Jon Kraus
Mooney 201
4443H @ UMP

Jay Honeck wrote:

The fact is, you're always going to get flamed, no matter what you do.
You can't worry about it.

I agree. What's to worry about? Flames aren't fatal. They don't even
hurt. :-)


Well, as you know I am immune to flames, too -- but I often hear from
"lurkers" who say they don't post for fear of getting lambasted.

Not everyone is a thick-skinned as we are, and -- if we want GA to grow
-- we need to be welcoming everyone into this group with open arms, not
poison pens.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 2 Oct 2006 10:45:20 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in . com:

I agree. What's to worry about? Flames aren't fatal. They don't even
hurt. :-)

Well, as you know I am immune to flames, too

We see few actual flames in this newsgroup. Most acrimonious
responses are more in the nature of heated discussion and
disagreements. Here's an example of what I consider a classic flame:

You know - they say that people with
I.Q.'s over 40-points apart are pretty
much unintelligible to each other.
That's just a random observation with no
ulterior meaning attached to it :P
As I read it, stupidity installed itself long
before you clocked three score and ten,
you are merely coming out, in bloom.
Let's pretend that you really are not an
obnoxious ignorant, cowardly, motor-mouthed
cretin exuding digital diarrhea as a pretext
to seeking a Life? About as topical as the
man who thinks its cool to jam garden gnomes
headlong up his ass to prove a qualified
opinion on de rigueur art decor, your puerile
attempt at self adulation is hilarious!
Unfortunately my having no respect for you
means your opinion of what I or anyone else
needs to respect means absolutely nothing.

Don't forget to **** yourself on your way
out, moron.

We don't see much in the way of that sort of "creative writing" in
this newsgroup (thankfully).

-- but I often hear from "lurkers" who say they don't post for fear of getting lambasted.

If the lurkers post USEFUL INFORMATION, that is correct and supported
by independent citations, they have nothing to fear. Otherwise, it
would appear that the 'flameage' is working.

Not everyone is a thick-skinned as we are, and -- if we want GA to grow
-- we need to be welcoming everyone into this group with open arms, not
poison pens.

Welcoming EVERYONE? You feel critical thinking* is misplaced? You
would recommend welcoming the likes of Mohammed Atta, AOL users, Ted
Kaczynski, Ted Bundy, John W. Hinckley, Jr, ...? Welcoming EVERYONE
could reduce Usenet to a the status of FidoNet. If you don't mean
'everyone,' don't use absolute language.

I have no tacit agenda to entice the timid to indulge in aviation.
If they are afraid of public response to their words, they are
probably much too fearful to become airmen.

Although you apparently believe Usenet was intended for kibitzing,
inane prattle, and chit chat, it is actually for the sharing of
INFORMATION.

This fellow put it well:

In my opinion, it is a very helpful (and in some instances quite
necessary) virtue to be able to take criticism even if it is
offensive or insulting. In fact, even the most offensive
criticism might (and hopefully does!) contain insights that are
valuable, and by disregarding the entire criticism, you are
throwing away that insight. You may not like it, but it sometimes
does pay to listen to a person that is not as friendly as you'd
like her to be.
-- Tobias Dussa

/rant

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
Here's an example of what I consider a classic flame:

You know - they say that people with
I.Q.'s over 40-points apart are pretty
much unintelligible to each other.
That's just a random observation with no
ulterior meaning attached to it :P
As I read it, stupidity installed itself long
before you clocked three score and ten,
you are merely coming out, in bloom.
Let's pretend that you really are not an
obnoxious ignorant, cowardly, motor-mouthed
cretin exuding digital diarrhea as a pretext
to seeking a Life? About as topical as the
man who thinks its cool to jam garden gnomes
headlong up his ass to prove a qualified
opinion on de rigueur art decor, your puerile
attempt at self adulation is hilarious!
Unfortunately my having no respect for you
means your opinion of what I or anyone else
needs to respect means absolutely nothing.

Don't forget to **** yourself on your way
out, moron.


Larry,

Who'd you **** off over in alt.languages.english?

("Larry Dighera" wrote USEFUL INFORMATION)
If the lurkers post USEFUL INFORMATION, that is correct and supported by
independent citations, they have nothing to fear. Otherwise, it would
appear that the 'flameage' is working.


"Bloviating idiot" is still my favorite ...flameage.


Montblack

actually, i've always been rather fond of "porcine copulator" although
the target usually either does not understand or is anxious to ask how
i found out.

dan


Montblack wrote:
("Larry Dighera" wrote USEFUL INFORMATION)
If the lurkers post USEFUL INFORMATION, that is correct and supported by
independent citations, they have nothing to fear. Otherwise, it would
appear that the 'flameage' is working.


"Bloviating idiot" is still my favorite ...flameage.


Montblack

Not everyone is a thick-skinned as we are, and -- if we want GA to grow
-- we need to be welcoming everyone into this group with open arms, not
poison pens.

Welcoming EVERYONE? You feel critical thinking* is misplaced? You
would recommend welcoming the likes of Mohammed Atta, AOL users, Ted
Kaczynski, Ted Bundy, John W. Hinckley, Jr, ...? Welcoming EVERYONE
could reduce Usenet to a the status of FidoNet. If you don't mean
'everyone,' don't use absolute language.

You know, imitating Steven McNicoll won't get you anywhere with me,
Larry...

;-)

Seriously, you need to develop a method of filtering language so you
can detect mild hyperbole. In this case "Everyone" doesn't mean
"Adolph Hitler" or "Sadaam Hussein", or "Bill Clinton" -- but it DOES
mean guys like NW_Pilot, who is CLEARLY not a timid soul.

Incidentally, to give you some idea of the intimidation factor you (and
others) cause in this 'group, in the name of "keeping the
signal-to-noise ratio high", I have received quite a few off-line
emails THANKING me for bringing up the flaming in this group.

Ironically -- sadly -- they sent the messages to me off-group, for fear
of the reaction they might generate by posting.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 2 Oct 2006 14:23:14 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in . com:

Not everyone is a thick-skinned as we are, and -- if we want GA to grow
-- we need to be welcoming everyone into this group with open arms, not
poison pens.

Welcoming EVERYONE? You feel critical thinking* is misplaced? You
would recommend welcoming the likes of Mohammed Atta, AOL users, Ted
Kaczynski, Ted Bundy, John W. Hinckley, Jr, ...? Welcoming EVERYONE
could reduce Usenet to a the status of FidoNet. If you don't mean
'everyone,' don't use absolute language.

You know, imitating Steven McNicoll won't get you anywhere with me,
Larry...

;-)

Oh! Now that was a rude analogy! :-) :-) (LOL)

Say what you will about the pedantic Mr. McNicoll, but the vast
majority of his comments are accurate and succinct, and contain useful
INFORMATION. He uses his full name, knows how to punctuate and
capitalize, and lends an air of dignity befitting an airman. Those
unenlightened, ignorant, two-digit IQ, illiterate, wannabes who dilute
the content of this newsgroup with banal attempts at crass humor and
insipid, empty headed comments reflect badly on airmen in this
worldwide forum. I'll take one McNicoll to a dozen of the latter.

Seriously, you need to develop a method of filtering language so you
can detect mild hyperbole. In this case "Everyone" doesn't mean
"Adolph Hitler" or "Sadaam Hussein", or "Bill Clinton"

You're have the arrogance to fault me for your improper use of the
language?! You can attempt to redefine the meaning of the word
'everyone' all you like, but I doubt you'll be successful at making it
mean other than: every person; everybody. If English were your second
language, I would not be so critical of your casual use of it.

Say what you mean, and mean what you say. It is not incumbent upon me
to have to divine your meaning. You are capable expressing your
thoughts explicitly (aren't you?).

It's difficult enough in written communications to correctly infer the
writer's meaning without the benefit of observing body language. And
last thing I want to be guilty of is reading something into a person's
prose that they didn't intend.

-- but it DOES mean guys like NW_Pilot, who is CLEARLY not a timid soul.

Mr. Rhine posted something that was dumb and illegal when he first
began to de-lurk. He met swift and significant criticism. His
feelings were hurt, and he threatened to quit rec.aviation.piloting.
But after the psychic pain of the initial lashing wore off, and he was
able to reflect on that responses he received, he gained a new respect
for the fellowship of airmen and himself, and he has ceased to be a
black eye for the public image of airmen. I would guess that he would
rather be criticized than have to wade through hundreds of banalities.
Incidentally, to give you some idea of the intimidation factor you
(and
others) cause in this 'group, in the name of "keeping the
signal-to-noise ratio high", I have received quite a few off-line
emails THANKING me for bringing up the flaming in this group.

Ironically -- sadly -- they sent the messages to me off-group, for fear
of the reaction they might generate by posting.

Well here's a message thread they can use to express their views.

Those who are so fearful of public ridicule as to refrain from
participating in this newsgroup probably do so because they have
nothing, other than chit chat and banalities, to contribute. If not,
let's see them post some relevant INFORMATION or personal experiences.
If they can't stand critique, they should probably stick to other
forums like rec.aviation.misc where they can wallow in the mud with
others of their ilk.

Your noble attempt to champion the timid reflects your view of what
Usenet should be: a place to kibitz with friends. Although many
newsgroups have degenerated to that level, thankfully this one hasn't
yet. That's what makes it attractive and useful. When it becomes a
bunch of grandmas chatting over the back fence, you will not see me
posting any longer.

I wish you had seen Usenet before AOL. Talk about intimidation; the
conversation was so witty and erudite, that no one ventured a post
without meaty content and careful attention to detail.

Please, let's not welcome those comments that would cause the lay
public think we airmen are a bunch of vulgar simpletons and
Philistines who lack critical thinking skills.

Obviously we are at opposite ends of the spectrum on this issue. I
have history on my side.

Larry Dighera wrote:
snip

My, someone has a high opinion of himself.

Unlike you?

mike

"Emily" wrote in message
...
Larry Dighera wrote:
snip

My, someone has a high opinion of himself.