NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

"Montblack" wrote in
:

("Judah" wrote)
Are you aware that the Jews have the monopoly on answering a question
with a question?


You don't say?


Montblack
5 of 7



Did you think that making a statement and putting a question mark at the
end counts as a question?

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Judah writes:

Software that is certified by a regulatory organization typically is
held to a bit of a higher standard than the desktop software pushed
out by Microsoft.

Apparently the G1000 software is not certified in that way, or it
wouldn't be failing.


Their press releases claim that they are FAA certified.

Andrew Gideon wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:04:27 -0500, Emily wrote:

Eh, as a CFI, I really don't care where I sit.

Well...you've a solution, then. You can be in a relationship with a
pilot as long as he is not a CFI. You get right, he gets left, nothing
remains open for discussion.

I know several single male non-CFI pilots, if you're interested in an
introduction. However, I can provide no guarantees that any would never
achieve a CFI (which is a flaw in my little scheme, I admit).

rec.aviation.piloting.matches anyone?

Laugh

You guys are too funny.

Within 100nm of DAL, please.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:58:00 -0700, "NW_Pilot"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:01:55 -0400, Andrew Gideon
wrote in :

The Garmin audio panel in our planes has a nifty feature. If the panel is
powered down, the pilot's headset is connected to COM1. Thus,
communication survives the failure of the audio panel.

It would be interesting to know how VHF communications were affected
in Mr. Rhine's mishap.


Ever time the system rebooted I had VHF comms for a few min + I had the Ham
Radio!


So when the Garmin system went down, other than HF Communications
provided by a portable transceiver, and the flight controls, the only
other functional instruments and operable systems you had were the OAT
thermometer, EGT, magnetic compass, attitude indicator, altimeter,
intermittent tachometer and airspeed indicator? No navigation
equipment, auto pilot, VHF communications, fuel gages, engine oil
pressure nor temperature gages? Have I finally got it right?

Judah writes:

Their press releases claim that they are FAA certified.

Then the FAA doesn't know how to certify software (or doesn't bother
to do so), which would not surprise me at all.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

So when the Garmin system went down, other than HF Communications
provided by a portable transceiver, and the flight controls, the only
other functional instruments and operable systems you had were the OAT
thermometer, EGT, magnetic compass, attitude indicator, altimeter,
intermittent tachometer and airspeed indicator? No navigation
equipment, auto pilot, VHF communications, fuel gages, engine oil
pressure nor temperature gages? Have I finally got it right?


When the system went down the only things I had was My Portable GPS, HF Com,
Portable VHF Com, Steam Attitude Indicator, Steam Airspeed Indicator, Steam
Altimeter, Whiskey Compass! Every thing else was tied to the G1000 and was
useless or not to be trusted as accurate in that situation. They don't even
have a slip/skid ball in the thing when the G1000 goes blink that's
intergraded also!

I believe after this incident as we see the fleet of G1000 equipped aircraft
age in the next few years there will be many fatalities and/or class action
suite's and whole generation of pilots not prepared for this type of systems
loss!

I hope that this garmin problem never happens to another pilot (I have a
feeling it will and it makes me angry) I am glad I practice partial panel
and have been ferrying airplanes the last year and have gained the skills to
deal with problems such as this. I know it could have gone the opposite
direction really fast and I thank my lucky stars I was able to keep my cool,
work the problem, make the competent decisions and use the resources
available to me to make it in safe!

I like the Avidyne system a lot better at leased if the PFD & MFD fail you
have Comm's, Autopilot, And GPS Navigation all separate! But I only have 10
hours at the controls on a new Piper to make that opinion on the Avidyne
system witch is not enough!

Before everyone jumps all over Garmin keep in mind that what caused
this was the auxilary fuel tank! It created a condition that the Garmin
unit could not handle. But the stock Cessna setup would never create
this condition! I think the real blame here has to be on the auxilary
fuel design. There are LOTS of these Garmin units out there working
very well, very few complaints at all. ALL of the new Cessnas have them
and they are WORKING!

Also keep in mind that the backup systems did work here. He was able to
fly the aircraft on the instruments he had.

NW_Pilot wrote:


So when the Garmin system went down, other than HF Communications
provided by a portable transceiver, and the flight controls, the only
other functional instruments and operable systems you had were the OAT
thermometer, EGT, magnetic compass, attitude indicator, altimeter,
intermittent tachometer and airspeed indicator? No navigation
equipment, auto pilot, VHF communications, fuel gages, engine oil
pressure nor temperature gages? Have I finally got it right?


When the system went down the only things I had was My Portable GPS, HF Com,
Portable VHF Com, Steam Attitude Indicator, Steam Airspeed Indicator, Steam
Altimeter, Whiskey Compass! Every thing else was tied to the G1000 and was
useless or not to be trusted as accurate in that situation. They don't even
have a slip/skid ball in the thing when the G1000 goes blink that's
intergraded also!

I believe after this incident as we see the fleet of G1000 equipped aircraft
age in the next few years there will be many fatalities and/or class action
suite's and whole generation of pilots not prepared for this type of systems
loss!

I hope that this garmin problem never happens to another pilot (I have a
feeling it will and it makes me angry) I am glad I practice partial panel
and have been ferrying airplanes the last year and have gained the skills to
deal with problems such as this. I know it could have gone the opposite
direction really fast and I thank my lucky stars I was able to keep my cool,
work the problem, make the competent decisions and use the resources
available to me to make it in safe!

I like the Avidyne system a lot better at leased if the PFD & MFD fail you
have Comm's, Autopilot, And GPS Navigation all separate! But I only have 10
hours at the controls on a new Piper to make that opinion on the Avidyne
system witch is not enough!

Matt Whiting schrieb:

I'd prefer redundancy at both the sensor and instrument level if I was
flying IFR across the pond.

It was a *ferry flight* in an airplane which was not supposed to ever
fly over water again. You want full redundancy installed for one ferry
flight? Ok, just don't ferry fly then.

Stefan

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:02:31 GMT, Judah wrote in :

"Montblack" wrote in
:

("Judah" wrote)
Are you aware that the Jews have the monopoly on answering a question
with a question?

You don't say?

Montblack
5 of 7

Did you think that making a statement and putting a question mark at the
end counts as a question?

Are we really playing the question game here on r.a.p.?

Do you know how hard it is to keep answering a question
with a question?

What if someone slips and makes a direct statement
that isn't a question?

Will the game end?

Will the thread die?

Will there be film at 11?

Marty

Emily wrote:
Andrew Gideon wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:04:27 -0500, Emily wrote:

Eh, as a CFI, I really don't care where I sit.


Well...you've a solution, then. You can be in a relationship with a
pilot as long as he is not a CFI. You get right, he gets left, nothing
remains open for discussion.

I know several single male non-CFI pilots, if you're interested in an
introduction. However, I can provide no guarantees that any would never
achieve a CFI (which is a flaw in my little scheme, I admit).

rec.aviation.piloting.matches anyone?

Laugh


You guys are too funny.

Within 100nm of DAL, please.


So, you are a Texan?

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI