Ever have anything stolen from a plane?

"Dan" wrote in message
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Just curious, has anyone ever had anything stolen from their plane
(i.e. portable GPS, headsets, etc.) while in the care of an FBO away
from your home field?

I am debating whether it's safer to leave my 396 in the plane, or take
it with me in a rental car that might be parked downtown, etc. I
highly suspect the plane is safer, but just wondering if anyone has any
history.


--Dan


The only thing I have lost are things that I have left in a rental and never
turned in by the next renter small stuff flash lights charts etc.

Here is a story about how a guy who lost an entire airplane?

One of my ferries was a repo. I meet up with the Private Investigator at
before the crack of dawn verify all the paper work was in order fresh ramp
annual "Ferry Permit" & Registration. I am given the keys that the lock
poper made the night before and a frequency other than Unicom to let him
know I am off and systems are a-ok and the flights a go, The PI calls the
local authorities to let them know about the repo so that there is no legal
ramifications for taking the plane and for when the owner call the
authorities they will explain it was repo'ed. I am then told to proceed to
the drop off location few hundred miles away! After landing the PI's people
are waiting plane get stuffed in to a hanger I fill out a piece of paper
about what works and dose not work yada yada yada and get paid put on a the
next airliner going my way and go home!

I Would have hated to be that guy! Wake up go to the airport to make his
flight home or wherever he was going and bird is gone! It was nice bird to
bad the owner was a deadbeat! The PI's found him because of his IFR flight
plans he was making regular trips and staying the weekend and parking in
transient parking. The PI's said if he had the airplane in a hanger they
would not be able to do anything since it was outside it was a sealed deal!

I have to say PI's pay very well $$$$$$ for 2 day's worth of work and the
excitement of what is equal to stealing an airplane in unknown condition
wich is a make and model you have never flow before is a rush in itself! I
also found out that not many airplanes get repo'ed that often I get a call
or 2 about some maybe upcoming repo's from the PI's recovery firm every few
mo's but most are airplanes that require a type cert to fly them wich sucks.
I wish I could afford some Type cert's!

Dam Ferrying airplanes is a fun business to be in lots of adventures in
aviation land and more to come!

I Still feel bad for the poor guy! I couldn't fathom the feelings he must
have felt going to the airport where he parked his plane and find it
missing!

Dam looks like I am again an active member of rec.aviation hahahahahaa!!!!

NW_Pilot wrote:

Dam Ferrying airplanes is a fun business to be in lots of adventures in
aviation land and more to come!

two questions out of curiosity:

- wouldn't you be concerned that the owner -- or soon to be ex-owner --
of an aircraft being repo'd might do something drastic like calling the
feds or hurting you (aren't there states where you are entitled to use
lethal force to protect your property?)?

- how do you get into this line of business? :-)

--Sylvain (commercial, ASEL, AMEL, IFR, can travel :-)

"Sylvain" wrote in message
t...
NW_Pilot wrote:

Dam Ferrying airplanes is a fun business to be in lots of adventures in
aviation land and more to come!

two questions out of curiosity:

- wouldn't you be concerned that the owner -- or soon to be ex-owner --
of an aircraft being repo'd might do something drastic like calling the
feds or hurting you (aren't there states where you are entitled to use
lethal force to protect your property?)?

Nope, no worries usually the former owner don't know who I am and the PI
that I have done 2 of these for usually secures the area really well with
surveillance it's not like you see on movies. I also have copies of the
court orders allowing for recovery of the property that I carry in the
airplane.


- how do you get into this line of business? :-)


Lot's of hard work! It also helps to be straight forward with people,
ability to quickly adapt to new and unfamiliar aircraft, know how to work
under pressure and solve problems, Most of all knowing when to say NO and
walk away as there is some real trash out there!

--Sylvain (commercial, ASEL, AMEL, IFR, can travel :-)

"Sylvain" wrote in message
t...
- wouldn't you be concerned that the owner -- or soon to be ex-owner --
of an aircraft being repo'd might do something drastic like calling the
feds or hurting you (aren't there states where you are entitled to use
lethal force to protect your property?)?

Deadly force is authorized here in Texas... If I saw someone trying to take
one of my vehicles, I would definitely shoot them... If their widow claimed
that they were doing a repo, I would have to say, "tough ****, wrong
vehicle"... All my vehicles are paid in full, so stupidity would definitely
be a capital offence on his part...

Grumman-581 wrote:

Deadly force is authorized here in Texas... If I saw someone trying to take
one of my vehicles, I would definitely shoot them... If their widow claimed
that they were doing a repo, I would have to say, "tough ****, wrong
vehicle"... All my vehicles are paid in full, so stupidity would definitely
be a capital offence on his part...
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well, sorta,,,,,unless you're keeping your airplane in your house
you'll probably get to make lots of new friends at huntsville.

if you have a carry permit you know all this but generally you can
shoot to preserve life, not property and generally if it's dark and
someone is trying to get into your house then it's deemed reasonable to
fear for your life.

better you should wing him, wrap him up in spare tiedowns, take him to
the house and do him there.

dan

houstondan wrote:
Grumman-581 wrote:
Deadly force is authorized here in Texas... If I saw someone trying to take
one of my vehicles, I would definitely shoot them... If their widow claimed
that they were doing a repo, I would have to say, "tough ****, wrong
vehicle"... All my vehicles are paid in full, so stupidity would definitely
be a capital offence on his part...
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

well, sorta,,,,,unless you're keeping your airplane in your house
you'll probably get to make lots of new friends at huntsville.

if you have a carry permit you know all this but generally you can
shoot to preserve life, not property and generally if it's dark and
someone is trying to get into your house then it's deemed reasonable to
fear for your life.

What if it's dark in your hangar and someone is trying to get in?

Emily wrote:

What if it's dark in your hangar and someone is trying to get in?

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um, emily, what are you doing in your hanger...in the dark?

dan

houstondan wrote:
Emily wrote:

What if it's dark in your hangar and someone is trying to get in?

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um, emily, what are you doing in your hanger...in the dark?

dan

Changing the oil, of course. :-)

Emily wrote:
houstondan wrote:

Grumman-581 wrote:

Deadly force is authorized here in Texas... If I saw someone trying
to take
one of my vehicles, I would definitely shoot them... If their widow
claimed
that they were doing a repo, I would have to say, "tough ****, wrong
vehicle"... All my vehicles are paid in full, so stupidity would
definitely
be a capital offence on his part...

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


well, sorta,,,,,unless you're keeping your airplane in your house
you'll probably get to make lots of new friends at huntsville.

if you have a carry permit you know all this but generally you can
shoot to preserve life, not property and generally if it's dark and
someone is trying to get into your house then it's deemed reasonable to
fear for your life.


What if it's dark in your hangar and someone is trying to get in?

All depends on who she is! :-)

Matt

houstondan wrote:
well, sorta,,,,,unless you're keeping your airplane in your house
you'll probably get to make lots of new friends at huntsville.

if you have a carry permit you know all this but generally you can
shoot to preserve life, not property and generally if it's dark and
someone is trying to get into your house then it's deemed reasonable to
fear for your life.

better you should wing him, wrap him up in spare tiedowns, take him to
the house and do him there.

Sorry Dan, but you're wrong... I've got a CHL and I am very well aware
of the laws... You're mistaking Texas with some of those ****in'
socialistic liberal ass states up north... Hell, there was a case
awhile back where a guy shot a repo guy who was getting his truck... It
was a legal repo, but the guy claimed that he thought that his truck
was being stolen... The shooting was justified...

The Texas laws:
snip
9.41. Protection of One's Own Property

(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable
property is justified in using force against another when and to the
degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary
to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful
interference with the property.

(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable
property by another is justified in using force against the other when
and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is
immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if
the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the
dispossession and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of
right when he dispossessed the actor; or

(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force,
threat, or fraud against the actor.

9.42. Deadly Force to Protect Property

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to
protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under
Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force
is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson,
burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or
criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after
committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the
nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by
any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or
recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a
substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

9.43. Protection of Third Person's Property

A person is justified in using force or deadly force against
another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person
if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the
actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or
deadly force to protect his own land or property and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference
constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to
the tangible, movable property; or

(2) the actor reasonably believes that:

(A) the third person has requested his protection of the land
or property;

(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third person's land or
property; or

(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or
deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent, or child,
resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.
/snip

End result -- you break into my house, my car, or my plane, you're
toast... If I'm feeling particularly generous that day, I *might* let
your friends and relatives find your body...

Hell, if you make a mess, you should clean it up yourself, right?
Preferrably in an ecologically friendly manner...

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