Long Landing Approved

Years ago I was having trouble learning to land. The instructor told
me to head for the airport with a 10,000 ft. "You can get in 3 landing
per pass." [As it turned out we started picking up some ice and had to
break off. But it was a good idea.]

So you were flying in the clouds (picking up some ice) before you
learned to land? Interesting, please tell us more...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ UMP

Not in the clouds.

Jon Kraus wrote:

Years ago I was having trouble learning to land. The instructor told
me to head for the airport with a 10,000 ft. "You can get in 3
landing per pass." [As it turned out we started picking up some ice
and had to break off. But it was a good idea.]

So you were flying in the clouds (picking up some ice) before you
learned to land? Interesting, please tell us more...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ UMP

Freezing rain then?

Stubby wrote:
Not in the clouds.

Jon Kraus wrote:


Years ago I was having trouble learning to land. The instructor
told me to head for the airport with a 10,000 ft. "You can get in 3
landing per pass." [As it turned out we started picking up some ice
and had to break off. But it was a good idea.]


So you were flying in the clouds (picking up some ice) before you
learned to land? Interesting, please tell us more...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ UMP

One of my buddies flys shrimp spotting at Salt Lake Utah.. he ROUTINELY
is offered "close in base, long landing approved" without asking when
they hear him check in (they know his voice). In his case, it saves a 2
mile taxi, and expedites flow because he can shoehorn inti the flow and
land beyond the wake turbulence of the approach zone. At a towered
field, the main issue is that you and the tower know what the plan is
and are on the same page.


The pilot is responsible for safe approach and landing, wether short or
long..

In part 91 ops as long as you operate within the limitations of the
aircraft, there is no legal problem. If you have an accident, then there
IS a legal problem in most cases.

Dave

Charles Talleyrand wrote:
I fly a Cessna 150. My hanger is at the far end of the 11,000 foot
runway.
Our tower routinely offers landings with "long landing approved". Our
runway has distance remaining markers (and about 1,000 feet of paved
overrun space if the first 11,000 were not enough).

Is there any reason I cannot fly over the first 9,000 feet of runway
and land on the remaining 2,000 feet? The plane and pilot are capable,
I just want to know if there is a legal problem.

-Charles Talleyrand

P.S. Yes, I've tried. It's very easy to put the plane down in 2,000
feet, especially since there are no obstacles on the glideslope. With
any headwind I'm stopped within 1000 feet. And there is that
1,000 feet of overrun, which is unneeded but nice to have.

P.S. S. We have no crosswind runway. Sometimes I wish one could land
sideways on our huge piece of pavement. It's not quite wide enough,
but with a 20 mph wind ....

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:30:14 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

Perfectly legal. That's exactly what the tower has in mind when they say
"long landing approved".

When I am listening to the PSM tower, I often hear 'cleared for the
option'. I assume that the tower is responding to a request (which I
didn't hear) for just such an action--touch & go, landing long, etc.
Why doesn't the tower actually repeat what is approved?

Cubdriver wrote:
When I am listening to the PSM tower, I often hear 'cleared for the
option'. I assume that the tower is responding to a request (which I
didn't hear) for just such an action--touch & go, landing long, etc.
Why doesn't the tower actually repeat what is approved?

They just did, as what you heard means only one thing.

The "Pilot/Controller Glossary" defines "Option Approach", and AIM
4-3-22 describes it in detail.

"Option" would not include a long landing.

"Cubdriver" usenet AT danford.net wrote in message
...

When I am listening to the PSM tower, I often hear 'cleared for the
option'. I assume that the tower is responding to a request (which I
didn't hear) for just such an action--touch & go, landing long, etc.
Why doesn't the tower actually repeat what is approved?


To save time. "Cleared for the option" is standard phraseology, to actually
repeat what is approved would mean saying, "cleared for touch-and-go or
missed approach or low approach or stop-and-go or full stop landing". A
long landing is not included.

"T o d d P a t t i s t" wrote in message
...

I fly a Champ, and the controller might reasonably expect a
relatively short landing from me. How much of the runway
can I use if I haven't specifically been given approval for
a long landing?


All of it.