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Old October 8th 06, 01:01 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Bob Gardner
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Default Why are multiple engines different?

Another aspect of the question...the requirements for the basic license
require a certain amount of solo flight, and it is hard to imagine any
insurance carrier covering solo flight in a twin by a student pilot. Not
impossible, just unlikely.

Bob Gardner

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Why is flying a multiengine aircraft a separate certification from the
basic license (if I understand correctly)? What is so different about
having more than one engine that justifies a separate certification?
Apart from a few procedures for the failure of an engine, isn't
everything else pretty much the same?

Does this mean that it is not possible to study for an initial license
in a twin-engine plane?

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Old October 8th 06, 03:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Sylvain
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Bob Gardner wrote:

Another aspect of the question...the requirements for the basic license
require a certain amount of solo flight, and it is hard to imagine any
insurance carrier covering solo flight in a twin by a student pilot. Not
impossible, just unlikely.


is this the reason why the night flying requirement for an initial
commercial in a multi- does not have to be solo? I mean, did the
FAA tailor the rules to fit the insurance requirements?

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Old October 8th 06, 05:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Sylvain writes:

is this the reason why the night flying requirement for an initial
commercial in a multi- does not have to be solo? I mean, did the
FAA tailor the rules to fit the insurance requirements?


What happens in aircraft that require a crew of two?

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Old October 8th 06, 07:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Sylvain
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Mxsmanic wrote:
What happens in aircraft that require a crew of two?


The FAA in its infinite wisdom, has it covered; airplane
that require more than one pilot tend not to be used
as primary trainers though.

Question: is there any aircraft out there that require
more than one pilot but does not require a type certificate?

--Sylvain

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Old October 8th 06, 09:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Macklin
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Default Why are multiple engines different?

A light twin on FAR 135 IFR w/o an autopilot




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| Mxsmanic wrote:
| What happens in aircraft that require a crew of two?
|
| The FAA in its infinite wisdom, has it covered; airplane
| that require more than one pilot tend not to be used
| as primary trainers though.
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| Question: is there any aircraft out there that require
| more than one pilot but does not require a type
certificate?
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| --Sylvain
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Old October 8th 06, 05:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Bob Gardner writes:

Another aspect of the question...the requirements for the basic license
require a certain amount of solo flight, and it is hard to imagine any
insurance carrier covering solo flight in a twin by a student pilot. Not
impossible, just unlikely.


Why would they be more unlikely to cover solo flight in a twin? Is it
more dangerous?

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Old October 8th 06, 07:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Sylvain
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Why would they be more unlikely to cover solo flight in a twin? Is it
more dangerous?


yes. For a number of reasons already mentioned by others, i.e., there
are a lot more things that can get wrong, and the decision process is
more complex (stats I have seen suggest that you are more likely to die
if you loose an engine in a twin than if you loose one in a single);
more over, multi- aircraft tend to be bigger, faster, etc.

Even with a multi- rating it is not easy to find a twin that you
can rent on your own.

--Sylvain
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Old October 8th 06, 08:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Emily
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Sylvain wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:

Why would they be more unlikely to cover solo flight in a twin? Is it
more dangerous?


yes. For a number of reasons already mentioned by others, i.e., there
are a lot more things that can get wrong, and the decision process is
more complex (stats I have seen suggest that you are more likely to die
if you loose an engine in a twin than if you loose one in a single);
more over, multi- aircraft tend to be bigger, faster, etc.

Even with a multi- rating it is not easy to find a twin that you
can rent on your own.


Really? I've never had a problem.
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Old October 8th 06, 08:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Sylvain
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Emily wrote:
Even with a multi- rating it is not easy to find a twin that you
can rent on your own.


Really? I've never had a problem.


So far, the one I am renting (a Duchess) also happens to be
the aircraft with which I did my rating, which simplifies a
lot my complying with the insurance requirements. Actually
I did the long cross country (did my initial commercial in
a multi-) with a 310 -- but this aircraft -- or anything more
ambitious than the Duchess -- is now out of my reach in terms
of number of hours required by the insurances. For some
reasons insurances seem to keep moving the bar as I am
progressing along :-)

By renting I mean flying it solo or with passengers; some
places are happy to let you fly their multi- but only with
one of their instructors (e.g., to complete a rating), a
bit like what seems to happen with floatplanes.

Where are you flying if I may ask?

--Sylvain
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Old October 8th 06, 02:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Emily
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Sylvain wrote:
Emily wrote:

snip

Where are you flying if I may ask?


Currently I'm flying a Duchess out of ADS, but I've also been able to
solo a Seneca and Aztec in other places.
 




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