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Old October 10th 06, 03:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]
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Tom Young wrote:
Second that. The C150 I fly requires a lot less trim than the C172, to the
point that I forget to use it sometimes. The 172 really doesn't let me
forget.



I ferried a C-172 with a coworker up to an engine shop a few years ago as one of
a flight of two. When we got there, I got into the back of the other C-172.
After we took off, I carefully noted when the pilot trimmed the aircraft, then
leaned forward to engage the guys in the front in conversation. The pilot would
fly along for a minute or two, then retrim. I'd lean back and wait a few
minutes until he retrimmed yet again. Then I leaned forward to talk to the guys
up front again.... making cracks about his apparent inability to hold altitude.

Heh heh... I must have done it four or five times before the pilot caught on.
G Lucky for me, there was no ejection seat in the C-172.



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Old October 10th 06, 04:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Emily
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Tom Young wrote:
Second that. The C150 I fly requires a lot less trim than the C172, to the
point that I forget to use it sometimes. The 172 really doesn't let me
forget.



I ferried a C-172 with a coworker up to an engine shop a few years ago as one of
a flight of two. When we got there, I got into the back of the other C-172.
After we took off, I carefully noted when the pilot trimmed the aircraft, then
leaned forward to engage the guys in the front in conversation. The pilot would
fly along for a minute or two, then retrim. I'd lean back and wait a few
minutes until he retrimmed yet again. Then I leaned forward to talk to the guys
up front again.... making cracks about his apparent inability to hold altitude.

Heh heh... I must have done it four or five times before the pilot caught on.
G Lucky for me, there was no ejection seat in the C-172.


I'd have pushed you out the door. I had a 260 lb friend who would wait
patiently until I got the plane trimmed and then slam his seat all the
way back. He did it so fast that I didn't see it coming.

This was the same guy who completely shut an engine down on me once.
I'm sure it was payback for something, I just can't remember what.
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Old October 10th 06, 08:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
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Tom Young wrote:
Second that. The C150 I fly requires a lot less trim than the C172, to
the
point that I forget to use it sometimes. The 172 really doesn't let me
forget.



I ferried a C-172 with a coworker up to an engine shop a few years ago as
one of a flight of two. When we got there, I got into the back of the
other C-172. After we took off, I carefully noted when the pilot trimmed
the aircraft, then leaned forward to engage the guys in the front in
conversation. The pilot would fly along for a minute or two, then retrim.
I'd lean back and wait a few minutes until he retrimmed yet again. Then I
leaned forward to talk to the guys up front again.... making cracks about
his apparent inability to hold altitude.

Heh heh... I must have done it four or five times before the pilot caught
on. G Lucky for me, there was no ejection seat in the C-172.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com


About 3 months after I got my private certificate, I decided to go back for
a little XC with the CFI who had actually been my CFI at the time of my
checkride in order to just make sure I hadn't started to develop any early
bad habits.

As we were headed southeast from Phoenix, ATC called traffic overtaking us
from our six o'clock and co-alt (ATC was not talking to that traffic...)
Try as we might, we couldn't pick him up and eventually ATC suggests we
descend. Right before I reach to retard the throttle and before I can push
the nose down, my good old CFI racks the passenger seat back to the rear
stop and just flops the seat flat trying to look up through the rear
windows. We immediately gain about 150 feet which probably was not a good
thing since we were pretty sure the conflicting traffic was above and behind
us.

Scared the hell out of me and I didn't let him hear the end of it all the
way to our destination (and part of the way back, too...)

Jay B



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Old October 10th 06, 01:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Dylan Smith
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On 2006-10-10, Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote:
Heh heh... I must have done it four or five times before the pilot caught on.
G Lucky for me, there was no ejection seat in the C-172.


You are only a student in evil tricks, I'm afraid :-)

When doing hood time for my instrument rating, I tended to do all the
training at night, since it simulates IMC better when under the hood -
no sunlight cues to tip you off.

At this point I had ILS approaches nailed - I could keep the needles in
the donut in the middle of the instrument. I was really proud on how I
could make it look like the instrument wasn't even functional.

My safety pilot - let's call him Paul because that's his real name and I
don't want to protect the guilty - gave me lots of aggro that night in
the name of training, but his best one was on the ILS.

Passing the outer marker, I made the customary power and pitch changes
and began to follow the glideslope. Then the plane started drifting
high. So I corrected. Then it drifted low. I just couldn't nail the
glideslope whatever I did. I was getting more and more distracted by
this, when two lights shone through that bit of the windscreen the hood
doesn't quite block, convincing my sense of balance that we were now in
a 60 degree bank. Not only was I fighting spatial disorientation, I was
all over the place on the glideslope, and now started to go all over the
place on the localiser. At the decision height I was so glad to whip the
hood up - I was starting to get overloaded.

We did the missed approach, and flew home.

When we were taxiing in, I grumbled about how terrible the ILS was - and
how I couldn't figure out how I'd flown it so badly. Paul did not say a
word. He just slid his seat back then forwards! The seat rails in a C172
are very long, so he could move an awful long way fore and aft - and
he's quite a big guy...

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Old October 11th 06, 01:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Dylan Smith writes:

When we were taxiing in, I grumbled about how terrible the ILS was - and
how I couldn't figure out how I'd flown it so badly. Paul did not say a
word. He just slid his seat back then forwards! The seat rails in a C172
are very long, so he could move an awful long way fore and aft - and
he's quite a big guy...


So what was his purpose in messing up the approach?

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Old October 11th 06, 12:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Dylan Smith
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Default How much do you trim?

On 2006-10-11, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dylan Smith writes:

When we were taxiing in, I grumbled about how terrible the ILS was - and
how I couldn't figure out how I'd flown it so badly. Paul did not say a
word. He just slid his seat back then forwards! The seat rails in a C172
are very long, so he could move an awful long way fore and aft - and
he's quite a big guy...


So what was his purpose in messing up the approach?


To cause a distraction. This was a training flight, and you have to be
able to handle distractions in the real world - anything from trying to
get down with failed instruments or equipment to a leaky door seal
allowing rain to spray all over you.

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