How much do you trim?

A Lieberma wrote in
. 18:

Hell, reader word wrapped the URL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_by_wire

Allen

A Lieberma writes:

Excuse me?????? WRONG AGAIN.

No, quite right. Fly-by-wire systems are systems that have no direct
mechanical connections between pilot controls and control surfaces.
The pilot provides input to a computer with his controls; the computer
then decides what movement, if any, must be imparted to the control
surfaces, and carries out those movements. In full-authority
fly-by-wire systems, there is no way for the pilot to override the
computer; the computer is assumed to know best under all
circumstances.

Airbus became famous for putting fly-by-wire into commercial
airliners. Apparently Airbus had to find _something_ to distinguish
it from Boeing, so it decided to depend on gadgets. There have been a
lot of problems with FBW, but fortunately for Boeing, Airbus has done
most of the debugging.

Personally, I still do not trust FBW, thanks to my extensive
experience with computers. While computers can intrinsically be
trusted, the software they run cannot (since it is written by human
beings).

I have yet to find anything of value in your postings since I keep typing
WRONG AGAIN on just about every one of your response.

Typing it won't make it so.

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Msxmanic:
If you could stop wasting your time typing and arguing with people
here, and put that time to more useful things, like a job. Another job?
If I was making $49 bucks in two days, and I would want to fly, I would
instead of arguing and fly the flight-simulator (Which I am sure you do
ALOT!) I would go out there and get another job. Also I would look for
less expensive ways to fly, Gliders and Ultralights are one way. France
has many glider clubs which provide lot's of flying for alot less than
you think.

So stop arguing, bitching, whining and flying (The sim) and get to work
to fly for real!

-Nik

Emily,

How much does an hour of flight time run you in Germany?


Depends on what you want to fly. A 152 will be around 100 dollars,
clubs will be cheaper. Instruction in clubs is typically free,
otherwise 60 to 80 dollars is realistic for basic instruction.

The 1984 TB-10 Tobago I fly with a group of five, IFR-equipped
(including 430, Stormscope and S-TEC 50) and quite nice, flies about
100 to 120 hours per year. We figure on a total of about 190 dollars
per hour, including everything. Really everything, database updates and
such. Oh, except landing fees, about 10 dollars at a normal field, up
to and above 100 at the big international airports. It's still easily
worth 100 to land at Berlin Tempelhof (EDDI) occasionally, the "mother
of all airports", according to architect Norman Foster. You might know
it from the Billy-Wilder-movie "One, Two, Three". Built by Adolf, still
looks much like back then.

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Nik,

So stop arguing, bitching, whining and flying (The sim) and get to work
to fly for real!


Two things:

1. If he has the attitude he shows here in real life, too, that might,
well, influence his efforts to get a decent job, to put it mildly.

2. I am convinced he is deadly afraid of flying. His post show that quite
clearly.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On 2006-10-11, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dylan Smith writes:

When we were taxiing in, I grumbled about how terrible the ILS was - and
how I couldn't figure out how I'd flown it so badly. Paul did not say a
word. He just slid his seat back then forwards! The seat rails in a C172
are very long, so he could move an awful long way fore and aft - and
he's quite a big guy...

So what was his purpose in messing up the approach?

To cause a distraction. This was a training flight, and you have to be
able to handle distractions in the real world - anything from trying to
get down with failed instruments or equipment to a leaky door seal
allowing rain to spray all over you.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

If you really have this much interest in real aircraft $49 would be worth
every penny even if it was for less than 20 minutes.

It takes two days for me to earn $49.



If you just took the time you wasted in this newsgroup over the last month
or so you could have earned enough to take the flight. And two days work for
something like your first flight is not really such a waste of money.

Mxsmanic wrote:


Interesting. So what is it that's different between the two planes?
If the aircraft requires no trim, does that mean that control surfaces
stay where they are put, or what?

My guess... its the lever difference between the CG and center of
pressure. My guess is because the C-150 and the Swift are 2 seat planes
that the moment between CG and center of pressure is small so the plane
does not have the same degree of stability and therefore, wants to stay
at the pitch you put it at. This is not generally considered a good
thing, most designs keep those distances larger such that letting go of
the controls will cause the plane to seek its trimed airspeed right
away. However, since the trim in the Swift was in the back behind my
head, I didn't complain that I never needed to get to it.

-Robert

Wade Hasbrouck writes:

You don't get this experience (how hard it is to pull the plane
off the ground) in MSFS ...

You don't get it in all aircraft, either. If you know your aircraft
well and you know it will do this, fine, but you cannot assume it as a
general rule.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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You don't get it in all aircraft, either. If you know your aircraft
well and you know it will do this, fine, but you cannot assume it as a
general rule.

WRONG AGAIN.

You don't fly a REAL PLANE, so you DON"T KNOW.

Allen