Why are multiple engines different?

Jim...............I remember that Twin Commander. Great publicity stunt. And
I KNOW, the prop was in the back.

I am writing about a different airplane whose prop WAS still attached.

Karl
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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No, it was in the baggage compartment.



"karl gruber" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:BVYWg.2133$XX2.1727@dukeread04...
| Back in the early 1950s, AeroCommander flew a 500,
piston
| powered light twin from OKC to Washington, DC with the
right
| prop in the baggage area. Ike had one on the list of
| approved executive travel planes. Ike was a pilot.
|
|
| Good............I remember that now.It was a publicity
| stunt.................... But it's not the light twin that
I saw. And it's
| prop was still on and could have been running if needed.
|
| Karl
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|

karl gruber wrote:
"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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karl gruber wrote:
Some can, easily.

Karl


Hasn't Bob Hooover demonstrated that in the Shrike?

He usually takes off with NO engines!

The Shrike might do it if you could get it going fast enough at the start
without running off the side of the runway. A twin will have a HUGE turning
tendency at low speed. I wouldn't want to try it.


Heck, I can't even taxi a Seminole on one engine, at least not from a
standing start. An Aztec is easier.

I know a DC-3 can take off on one engine, given a running start (or
even from a standing start if you face the near end of the runway, rev
up the engine, turn rapidly toward the bad engine and engage the wheel
lock once you are facing the correct way down the runway -- or is that
a safe procedure?). But the DC-3 is not a light twin.

Were you thinking perhaps of a Beech 18? Knowing you, the people you
know, and the crowd you hang out with, it would not surprise me. :-)
But you know, calling the 18 a light twin is a bit of a stretch, too.
It is a 10,000 lb. airplane.

Seems to me, if you fly more than one type or don't fly much,
announcing the best single engine climb speed and bugging it during the
pre-takeoff briefing is a good idea.

No this was done "kinda" safely.

Karl

Too much trivia.



"karl gruber" wrote in message
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| Jim...............I remember that Twin Commander. Great
publicity stunt. And
| I KNOW, the prop was in the back.
|
| I am writing about a different airplane whose prop WAS
still attached.
|
| Karl
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:2W%Wg.2154$XX2.1813@dukeread04...
| No, it was in the baggage compartment.
|
|
|
| "karl gruber" wrote in
message
| ...
| |
| | "Jim Macklin"
wrote
| in message
| | news:BVYWg.2133$XX2.1727@dukeread04...
| | Back in the early 1950s, AeroCommander flew a 500,
| piston
| | powered light twin from OKC to Washington, DC with
the
| right
| | prop in the baggage area. Ike had one on the list
of
| | approved executive travel planes. Ike was a pilot.
| |
| |
| | Good............I remember that now.It was a publicity
| | stunt.................... But it's not the light twin
that
| I saw. And it's
| | prop was still on and could have been running if
needed.
| |
| | Karl
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

"Jim Macklin" writes:

I've had several engine failures ...

Tell me again how safe general aviation is supposed to be.

That he posted the message speaks for itself.

Neil

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Sylvain writes:

for one thing you won't be able to taxi, except in
circles ...

That isn't quite true. If you start out _very_ slowly, you could
conceivably hold the aircraft in line until aerodynamic forces make
the rudder effective (prop wash over the rudder can help, too).

So, yet again you are arguing with a pilot that flies REAL light twins
based on your experience that your flying game (MSFS is *not* an aviation
simulator) will act in a certain way? What value does this have in an
aviation group?

Neil

cjcampbell writes:

Not at all. I am a multi-engine instructor.

But do you own a multi-engine aircraft?

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"cjcampbell" Seems to me, if you fly more than one type or don't fly much,
announcing the best single engine climb speed and bugging it during the
pre-takeoff briefing is a good idea.

No this was done "kinda" safely.

Chris,

I'm sure you know this and probably realized it the second you clicked on
send, but.........

Takeoff numbers are calculated for every takeoff, without exception. Weight,
altitude, temperature, wind, slope, runway condition are factored and V
speeds are posted. Different pilots post different speeds. Some airplane can
post only one speed....some up to 4 that I've seen. But V2 is always posted
on the pilot flying side.

All transport aircraft have charts and most have been tabulated. Some have
computer programs and some, I hear, are somehow automatically "bugged."

Best,
Karl

Neil Gould writes:

That he posted the message speaks for itself.

Yes, it implies that engine failures are all too common on general
aviation aircraft. How well do you think that level of engine
failures would go over in commercial aviation on big jets?

Indeed, one of the reasons for the substantial expansion of commercial
aviation in the last forty years or so has been the widespread
adoption of turbine power plants, which don't constantly fail the way
piston powerplants do.

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Neil Gould writes:

So, yet again you are arguing with a pilot that flies REAL light twins
based on your experience that your flying game (MSFS is *not* an aviation
simulator) will act in a certain way? What value does this have in an
aviation group?

I've simulated it. He has neither flown nor simulated it, from what I
understand. So I actually have more experience with it until and
unless he tries it.

I suspect that pilots in real life aren't very inclined to try things
like taxiing on a single engine, since they have better ways to spend
their limited time with the aircraft. In a simulator, time is
plentiful, so you can try all sorts of things.

Additionally, I don't see any particular reason why a simulation would
not be reasonably accurate in this, if it is reasonably accurate in
other things. Most of the same forces are at work.

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Jim Macklin wrote:
Yes, I lazy, old and skip a lot of the posters, I do read
yours and so I post stuff that pops into my weak, perverted
mind, you should take offense.
Do you mean shouldn't, or did I miss something?