How often do you have to go around?

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:06:23 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

Much easier to spot a Cessna on a 3 mile final to Renton from the Renton
downwind in real life than in MSFS. This proably because the traffic in
flight sim isn't more than a pixels wide until are basically on top of them.

It helps to run at 1600x1200, but it's still hard to make out the
shape of the aircraft until it's quite near. I'm not sure what
purpose seeing traffic serves in MSFS, anyway, since the simulator
doesn't simulate much else having to do with traffic and I have yet to
see any real conflicts.

The actual size of an aircraft at 3 miles is probably smaller than the projected
size of the monitor's pixel. It's your predator instincts that help pick out
the airplane (e.g., "something's moving"), not the physical size of the dot.
The aircraft configuration isn't identifiable until it gets quite close, and not
by type until it gets even closer. Though I once ID'd a friend's airplane at
about three miles due to its color....

Ron Wanttaja

The vast majority of times I do, I probably don't HAVE TO.

"Timmay" wrote in message
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Allen

You, sir, are a disgrace to aviation as a hobby. The fact that Mxsmanic
is asking questions to real-life pilots concerning real-life situations
while using a simulator demonstrates how much dedication he has,


His dedication is to MSFS, not flying.

Get a clue about him!

"Timmay" wrote in message
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Of course, when on forums you DO have your occasional troll lurking
around as well.

Well, DUH!!!

"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:06:23 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

Much easier to spot a Cessna on a 3 mile final to Renton from the
Renton
downwind in real life than in MSFS. This proably because the traffic
in
flight sim isn't more than a pixels wide until are basically on top of
them.

It helps to run at 1600x1200, but it's still hard to make out the
shape of the aircraft until it's quite near. I'm not sure what
purpose seeing traffic serves in MSFS, anyway, since the simulator
doesn't simulate much else having to do with traffic and I have yet to
see any real conflicts.

The actual size of an aircraft at 3 miles is probably smaller than the
projected
size of the monitor's pixel. It's your predator instincts that help pick
out
the airplane (e.g., "something's moving"), not the physical size of the
dot.
The aircraft configuration isn't identifiable until it gets quite close,
and not
by type until it gets even closer. Though I once ID'd a friend's airplane
at
about three miles due to its color....

Ron Wanttaja

You are probably correct... I was just thinking of a recent instance of when
I was approaching RNT to land was given "Cleared to land #2 following Cessna
on 3 mile final, report the traffic in sight..." and probably didn't pick
him up until he was on about 1.5 - 2 mile final, which caused me to discover
a phrase that causes concern in passengers... Glanced around doing my CGUMPS
check, and then looked back out the windshield and said "Ok... Where did he
go???" My passenger later on told me that that phase "concerned" her, and
told her "Oh... I wasn't worried about hitting him. I just needed to know
where he was at so that I knew when to turn, and if I couldn't find him I
would have just asked the tower where he was..."

Emily wrote:
Newps wrote:



Jim Macklin wrote:

anywhere

§ 91.113 Right-of-way rules: Except water operations.
(a) Inapplicability. This section does not apply to the operation of
an aircraft on water.



Right of way rules do not apply at tower controlled fields.


Cite?

The tower and the approach control, if so equipped, make the sequence.
They both change the sequence for arrivals and departures solely at
their discretion as the operation warrants. Controllers are not taught
right of way rules. Why would they? By definition those rules are for
when there is no control.

"Wade Hasbrouck" wrote

However, as PIC you have the authority to decline an ATC request if you think
it would be unsafe or would not feel comfortable doing it, as it is the PIC
that is flying the aircraft, not ATC

Although, if you say unable, you had better have a reasonable reason for saying
unable.

The ATC can have you fly back out to the podunk VOR for resequencing, or make
you wait while 15 planes take off before you get your turn to takeoff, or
anything else he so desires, if he wants to show his authority, if you get my
drift. g

That type of subject could start a whole new thread!

How many of you have been given unreasonable ( in your opinion) orders by ATC?
--
Jim in NC

Newps wrote:
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Right of way rules do not apply at tower controlled fields.


Cite?

The tower and the approach control, if so equipped, make the sequence.
They both change the sequence for arrivals and departures solely at
their discretion as the operation warrants. Controllers are not taught
right of way rules. Why would they? By definition those rules are for
when there is no control.

I was just wondering. That's something I didn't get from the regulation.

Emily wrote:



Then it's required that you give way in some other fashion.


How, when tower expects me to stay on final?



Tower will fix the problem and right of way rules are of no concern.
Just because I made you first doesn't mean you will necessarily stay
first. If that plan doesn't work you may be the one to go around if
that is the most efficient way to do things.

A Lieberma wrote:
Ron Natalie wrote in
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You should plan better so you aren't running down the (I believe it
is a 182). I don't know what kind of approaches you are making
in the game, but you should hang further back in faster aircraft.
If you passed underneath me in real life, I'd have the FAA on
short final I'd have the FAA on your ass.


Dang Ron,

Didn't you know that the lower plane has the right of way in REAL life and
you should give way to a plane passing under you on final

*tongue in cheek*.

Allen
My 1st, supervised, student solo a twin cut me off on short final by
passing below me. I, stupid student, thought I had done something
wrong, until on the ground when my instructor starting using language
I'd never heard him use before.

Margy