transparancy/member information

This post is not directed at hretting:

This thread has been a good lesson, and hopefully a
humbling one, for those who assume and ascribe the
worst possible motives to those whom they don't know
and have never met. We who post should remember this
and respect the dignity of those with whom we disagree
-- however strong the disagreement!

Even at war, diplomacy and rules have a place.



At 04:00 19 October 2006, wrote:
Wooooooowwwwwwwwwww, that revelation makes everything
else seem
mundane. Shuts down the spirit a little. So, here I
am getting a new
glider , not a care in the world and another is facing
the ultimate
personal challenge. So, what do we do.....5-BG, you
keep
typing.....everyone knows not to ask who you are....and
the discussion
will go on. 5-BG....email me or call, my number is
listed in the
members section. Great! My damn dog ate my pie while
typing, that
really ****es me off.
5-BG wrote:
OK lets deal with this issue of my name..
1. I am not a member of the board or of any other
association or club or part of any commercial interest
related in any way to soaring. i am a simple member
for past 15 years period end of conversation.
Plain english. I am not speaking with any hidden
agenda. If you don't believe that tough **** and put
me on ignore.

2. I choose not to post my name for a wide variety
of reasons that make a whole lot of sense to me and
have absolutly nothing to do with soaring. Not the
least of which is that I have terminal cancer and
am about to begin some very heavy surgeries (not for
the first time), which probably will not be too successful..
OK get it.. i choose not to put my name out there because
i do not want my wife to have to deal with wingnuts
who took my name off the internet during this time..
That is only reason #1.. there are several others that
are frankly none of your stinking business and which
have absolutly no connection to soaring and which do
not impact the validity of my comments on this board.
SO dig it or put me on ignore.

3. Ideas, opinions and suggestions should be dealt
with by a reader based upon their merits and not upon
the signiture. That is one of my problems with some
organizations (the ssa included, but not exclusively)
All too often 'BIG NAMES' use their celebrity to branch
out . Do you really want Barbara Striesand m making
foreign policy? is she really qualified? There are
a heck of a l;ot of people who will listen to her or
read her ramblings just because she signs them. But
in fact isn't it the idea that is important?

My ideas, comments and analysis is offered in a
pure form. There are no hidden agendas.
So far the jerks on this board who are circling the
wagons around the establishment that took us down this
path have sought to divert a reasonable discussion
of my ideas and opinions by making a lack of a signiture
the issue, NOT THE IDEAS.. I feel sad for the SSA and
for those who fall for this well proven tried and
true tactic . It is employeed by many people including
athletes who get busted for steriods or such and then
try to divert the conversation to the system or some
other nonesense. Politicians are masters of this game.
IT IS A GAME PLAYED TO DIVERT A DISCUSSION AWAY FROM
THE ISSUES.
THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.. plain and simple..
you are seeking to make my lack of a signiture the
issue, not the points that i raise. Over the past weeks
there have only been one or two responses that presented
rational differing points of view. That is a shame.
I have certainly raised many issues that need to be
discussed.

So once again I have raised the issue of the board
hiding stuff from members.. And now There are those
who choose NOT to directly discuss or to comment on
THE ISSUE.. but who are trying to say that since i
am not putting my name on the idea the idea is not
valid. That is a logic that simply does not stand up
and is total bull****.

So for you two who are circling the wagons... just
how do you feel about the issue??? how do you feel
that the board is not being forthcoming and that transparancy
is not happening???

you now know that i am in no way connected commercially
or organizationally in any way with soaring. I am a
simple pilot who flies often. thats it.

I also have the experience and ability to understand
this mess. while we are at it.. NO I WILL NOT BE PHYSICALLY
ABLE TO RUN FOR DIRECTOR OR TO ASSUME ANY ACTIVE ROLE..
I AM DYING

SCREW YOU GUYS!!!

5bg




'Jay' wrote in message news:1161200764.749594.65450@h48g2000cw
c.googlegroups.com...
LOL@Bob - That's what many of us have been saying
to him right along.
It's not that some of what he says doesn't have
merit - it's that his
unwillingness to either identify himself and/or
actually get involved
in fixing things (other than writing complaining
posts) is a major
detraction from any valid points that he might make.

Bob Kuykendall wrote:
I think that posting anonymously on that topic
falls only a tad shy of
fulfilling the definition of 'irony.'

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OK lets deal with this issue of my name..
1. I am not a member of the board or of any other
association or club or part of any commercial interest
related in any way to
soaring. i am a simple member for past 15 years period
end of
conversation.
Plain english. I am not speaking with any hidden
agenda. If you don't believe that tough **** and put
me on ignore.

2. I choose not to post my name for a wide variety
of
reasons that make a whole lot of sense to me and have
absolutly nothing to do
with soaring. Not the least of which is that I have
terminal cancer and am
about to begin some very heavy surgeries (not for
the first time), which
probably will not be too successful.. OK get it..
i choose not to put my name
out there because i do not want my wife to have to
deal with wingnuts who
took my name off the internet during this time..
That is only reason #1..
there are several others that are frankly none of
your stinking business and
which have absolutly no connection to soaring and
which do not impact the
validity of my comments on this board.
SO dig it or put me on ignore.

3. Ideas, opinions and suggestions should be dealt
with by a reader based upon their merits and not upon
the signiture. That is one
of my problems with some organizations (the ssa included,
but not exclusively)
All too often 'BIG NAMES' use their celebrity to branch
out . Do you
really want Barbara Striesand m making foreign policy?
is she really qualified?
There are a heck of a l;ot of people who will listen
to her or read her
ramblings just because she signs them. But in fact
isn't it the idea that is
important?

My ideas, comments and analysis is offered in a
pure form. There are no hidden agendas.
So far the jerks on this board who are circling the
wagons around the establishment that took us down
this path have sought to
divert a reasonable discussion of my ideas and opinions
by making a
lack of a signiture the issue, NOT THE IDEAS.. I feel
sad for the SSA and for
those who fall for this well proven tried and true
tactic . It is
employeed by many people including athletes who get
busted for steriods or such
and then try to divert the conversation to the system
or some other nonesense.
Politicians are masters of this game. IT IS A GAME
PLAYED TO DIVERT A
DISCUSSION AWAY FROM THE ISSUES.
THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.. plain and simple..
you are seeking to make my lack of a signiture the
issue, not the points that i
raise. Over the past weeks there have only been one
or two responses that
presented rational differing points of view. That
is a shame. I have certainly raised many issues that
need to be
discussed.

So once again I have raised the issue of the board
hiding stuff from members.. And now There are those
who choose NOT to directly
discuss or to comment on THE ISSUE.. but who are trying
to say that since i am
not putting my name on the idea the idea is not valid.
That is a logic
that simply does not stand up and is total bull****.

So for you two who are circling the wagons...
just how do you feel about the issue??? how do you
feel that the board is not
being forthcoming and that transparancy is not happening???

you now know that i am in no way connected
commercially or organizationally in any way with soaring.
I am a simple pilot
who flies often. thats it.

I also have the experience and ability to
understand this mess. while we are at it.. NO I WILL
NOT BE PHYSICALLY
ABLE TO RUN FOR DIRECTOR OR TO ASSUME ANY ACTIVE ROLE..
I AM
DYING

SCREW YOU GUYS!!!

5bg




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'Jay'
wrote in message href='news:1161200764.749594.65450@h48g2000
cwc.googlegroups.com'news:1161200764.749594.65
legroups.com... href='mailto:LOL@Bob'LOL@Bob - That's
what many of us have been saying to
him right along.It's not that some of what he says
doesn't have merit -
it's that hisunwillingness to either identify himself
and/or actually get
involvedin fixing things (other than writing complaining
posts) is a
majordetraction from any valid points that he might
make.Bob
Kuykendall wrote: I think that posting anonymously
on that topic falls
only a tad shy of fulfilling the definition of
'irony.'

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Nyal Williams wrote:
This post is not directed at hretting:

This thread has been a good lesson, and hopefully a
humbling one, for those who assume and ascribe the
worst possible motives to those whom they don't know
and have never met. We who post should remember this
and respect the dignity of those with whom we disagree
-- however strong the disagreement!

Even at war, diplomacy and rules have a place.


This ain't war this is RAS !!

Ask a question-get everything but the answer
Post an observation or opinion-expect an attack