the USS Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group doesn't make for a 'massive' build-up for war with Iran

Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
Ricardo wrote:


Thank you for sounding like a typical moronic American: anyone with a
view counter to your own is a "whining leftist",


This is not true - I am generally tolerant of the views of others, even
if they are Ahmadinejad sympathisers like you seem to be. I only label
people a "whining leftist" when they make stupid remarks like "well if
despotic regmies are so bad, why don't you overthrow every single
despotic regime in the world!?!??!". People you state these things
without taking into account the fact that some nations i.e. Iran, pose
more of a threat than other nations i.e. China.

Get it?


and then sticking your
fingers in your ears when confronted with some of the sources of today's
problems - not least America's involvement in other countries affairs
and supporting and sponsoring terrorism.


Look, I never claimed that the U.S was perfect, but it is far more a
force for good than for evil - and your sixth-grade Michael Moore logic
isn't going to change my views.


Your country doesn't have the "right" to remove ANY regime from power!


We do if it poses a threat to the U.S, as Iran clearly doesn. Iran must
be removed and will be shortly.

How do they pose a threat? In the same way that Iraq did, Panama did,
Grenada did, to name but a few? Come on, please.

Ricardo

--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."

Ricardo wrote:
Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
Ricardo wrote:


Thank you for sounding like a typical moronic American: anyone with a
view counter to your own is a "whining leftist",


This is not true - I am generally tolerant of the views of others, even
if they are Ahmadinejad sympathisers like you seem to be. I only label
people a "whining leftist" when they make stupid remarks like "well if
despotic regmies are so bad, why don't you overthrow every single
despotic regime in the world!?!??!". People you state these things
without taking into account the fact that some nations i.e. Iran, pose
more of a threat than other nations i.e. China.

Get it?


and then sticking your
fingers in your ears when confronted with some of the sources of today's
problems - not least America's involvement in other countries affairs
and supporting and sponsoring terrorism.


Look, I never claimed that the U.S was perfect, but it is far more a
force for good than for evil - and your sixth-grade Michael Moore logic
isn't going to change my views.


Your country doesn't have the "right" to remove ANY regime from power!


We do if it poses a threat to the U.S, as Iran clearly doesn. Iran must
be removed and will be shortly.

How do they pose a threat? In the same way that Iraq did, Panama did,
Grenada did, to name but a few? Come on, please.


The zioNists like DCI here only care about IsReeL. American boiz are
cannon-fodder for his precious jooz.

Ricardo

Ricardo wrote:
Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
Ricardo wrote:


Thank you for sounding like a typical moronic American: anyone with a
view counter to your own is a "whining leftist",


This is not true - I am generally tolerant of the views of others, even
if they are Ahmadinejad sympathisers like you seem to be. I only label
people a "whining leftist" when they make stupid remarks like "well if
despotic regmies are so bad, why don't you overthrow every single
despotic regime in the world!?!??!". People you state these things
without taking into account the fact that some nations i.e. Iran, pose
more of a threat than other nations i.e. China.

Get it?


and then sticking your
fingers in your ears when confronted with some of the sources of today's
problems - not least America's involvement in other countries affairs
and supporting and sponsoring terrorism.


Look, I never claimed that the U.S was perfect, but it is far more a
force for good than for evil - and your sixth-grade Michael Moore logic
isn't going to change my views.


Your country doesn't have the "right" to remove ANY regime from power!


We do if it poses a threat to the U.S, as Iran clearly doesn. Iran must
be removed and will be shortly.

How do they pose a threat?

Iran wants to destroy Israel, is developing nukes, supports terrorism
and has an anti-U.S government. What don't you understand?

In the same way that Iraq did, Panama did,
Grenada did, to name but a few? Come on, please.

It was a shame that WMD were never found, but I think, quite frankly,
that most of the world has now moved on from this issue. Basically, we
couldn't leave Saddam in power in the post 9/11 world - everyone
thought he had WMD, he'd invaded his neighbours in the past and he'd
used WMD against them too.

In the post 9/11 world Saddam's government was an intolerable security
threat and it's good that he's gone, regardless of no WMD being found.
Military involvement in Grenada and Panama occured for complex reasons
but don't be fooled into thinking that, because those wars might not
have been absolutely essential, that the Iran war is not essential
either. The Iran war is necessary as long as they continue developing
nukes.

On a sunny day (20 Oct 2006 13:44:08 -0700) it happened "Darn Good
Intelligence" wrote in
.com:


Basically, we
couldn't leave Saddam in power in the post 9/11 world - everyone
thought he had WMD,


Your definiton of 'everyone' must be really funny :-)
Not even the CIA! And that is why the White House reveiled
a CIA operative's name, no yellow cake from South Africa.
White house bloody well knew their were no WMDs.
As did everybody else, even the international atomic agency.

But _as I pointed out before_ Bushists will believe anything without proof.
Photos of fish and chips stands passing as 'mobile labs' ;-)
Anyway nothing photoshop and after effects will not create.
Next they will convince you the aliens are coming, read his lips.

Did you ever notice it was the oil producing countries who jumped on the
bandwagon?
UK (North Sea oil) Russia (own oil) Netherlands (natural gas coupled to
oil price), Saudi Arabia (own oil), and the one that had nuke power for 70%
or more did NOT (France).
And Germany was not very willing either.

It is all about killing Iraq oil export to get the price up, so the Saudi
masters of Islam converted mole Bush get richer.
All they want is $$$ (and Iraq wanted Euro, that would be the end for the US).

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:05:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

On a sunny day (20 Oct 2006 13:44:08 -0700) it happened "Darn Good
Intelligence" wrote in
s.com:


Basically, we
couldn't leave Saddam in power in the post 9/11 world - everyone
thought he had WMD,


Your definiton of 'everyone' must be really funny :-)
Not even the CIA! And that is why the White House reveiled
a CIA operative's name, no yellow cake from South Africa.
White house bloody well knew their were no WMDs.
As did everybody else, even the international atomic agency.

But _as I pointed out before_ Bushists will believe anything without proof.
Photos of fish and chips stands passing as 'mobile labs' ;-)
Anyway nothing photoshop and after effects will not create.
Next they will convince you the aliens are coming, read his lips.

Did you ever notice it was the oil producing countries who jumped on the
bandwagon?
UK (North Sea oil) Russia (own oil) Netherlands (natural gas coupled to
oil price), Saudi Arabia (own oil), and the one that had nuke power for 70%
or more did NOT (France).
And Germany was not very willing either.

It is all about killing Iraq oil export to get the price up, so the Saudi
masters of Islam converted mole Bush get richer.
All they want is $$$ (and Iraq wanted Euro, that would be the end for the US).

This undoubtedly explains the enthusiasm of Canada, Mexico and
Venizuala, the countries the US buys most of it's oil from for
the idea. And the presence of all those Saudis, Norweigans and
Russians among the coalition batallions.

You're saying those nice ol' boys from Texas wanted to make us
rich so much they overode our objections to get the price up.

I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their
logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as
hell are conspirwakos on the other side too.


Peter Skelton

"Peter Skelton" wrote in message
...

I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their
logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as
hell are conspirwakos on the other side too.


The fact that we stomped the living **** out of Saddam TWICE is a big factor
in keeping other assholes from trying anything and is why Lybia finally quit
the kill Americans for fun game.

On a sunny day (Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:01:47 -0400) it happened Peter Skelton
wrote in :

It is all about killing Iraq oil export to get the price up, so the Saudi
masters of Islam converted mole Bush get richer.
All they want is $$$ (and Iraq wanted Euro, that would be the end for the US).

This undoubtedly explains the enthusiasm of Canada, Mexico and
Venizuala, the countries the US buys most of it's oil from for
the idea. And the presence of all those Saudis, Norweigans and
Russians among the coalition batallions.

You're saying those nice ol' boys from Texas wanted to make us
rich so much they overode our objections to get the price up.

I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their
logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as
hell are conspirwakos on the other side too.

OK, in detail thing are a bit more complicated, but getting $$ is the issue here.
It was for the Russians (Putin) a matter of what would bring in mo
the higher oil price, or spare parts for the 4000 taxies he sold in Iraq.
As for the Norwegians, I think they have pants full of Russian fear, so it is
important for them to stay close to the US (same for Poland).
The Saudis = the Bush so they were there alright.

I think 'politics' is in a big way to 'mend the people' and truth or no truth
is largely irrelevant.
With strong press control (why do you see no coffins? Fox TV etc..) you can
get the voters to vote for anything, even if they know it is bad for them.
So you give them a 100$ tax rebate, and have them pay 10$ extra each time they
fill up.
But voters are not normally presented that math.... I want the 100$ now:-)
There is also the issue of US image detoriating all over the world, you are no
longer safe.
These threats (created by threatening Iran, provoking N Korea, awakening the Islamic
fanatics, etc) lead to big business, security systems, arms race, all payed by the taxpayer,
and money from the tax payer spend on those things is NOT used on education, welfare,
increased wages, better life for Americans.
It is true that the guys who have jobs doing this will have more to spend, but the whole
operation is at the cost of the rest of the world, 100000 Iraqi civilians, 3000 US mil,
it would perhaps be better if they had all contributed their knowledge and lived in peace,,,
But that is not the way it is (and human nature).
So it is sort of hard to argue 'I have the better solution', but if you go that way and
sort of see that we really have no free will, and are a result of all forces in the universe
working on us, then you are also free to think on the other side, and then why not grab Saudi
oil and have nice cheap oil and stop Islam?
Leaving aside any 'civilised' thinking, you grabbed the land from the natives,
dunno how many injuns have been killed, Israel grabbed Palestine, China grabbed Tibet, wtf
are the US waiting for to grab the oil in Saudi Arabia?
Chavez does in... Putin does it.... those Bushist are simply not hawkish enough :-)
Saudis think it is smart having US protection... but if your protector is all powerful,
as the US is with H nukes, he does not really need you... so why keep you.

Anyways....power may shift, the Roman empire is no more, after Caesar it started to decline.
Alliances fell apart.....
China is very powerful atm, although now friendly with the US, already owns large parts
of the US!
If power is moving there, then US will have to play second fiddle, or attach and destroy the
rest of the world.
I agree that if you have to pay second fiddle you better have your own oil...... resources.
Other leaders (countries) know this....
It is funny how ever much Bush screamed, N Korea announced more nuke tests, ONE meeting
with China and no more nuke tests.... talk about influence :-)
There you go.

"Darn Good Intelligence" wrote
Iran wants to destroy Israel, is developing nukes, supports terrorism
and has an anti-U.S government. What don't you understand?

Sounds like my kind of state. I like honest, upfront people.

"Darn Good Intelligence" wrote
It was a shame that WMD were never found, but I think, quite frankly,
that most of the world has now moved on from this issue.

Think again apologist.

Watching AmeriKKKans die in Iraq and Afghanistan is pure joy.