Marketing and the Cirrus Sales Pitch

Robert,

I can't understand why
anyone would pick a Cirrus over a Columbia except fpr the chute.

Price.

The chute was actually designed into the airframe to circumvent
difficulties with spin recovery requirements was it not?


It was not. Google the group.

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Recently, Morgans posted:

"Robert Dorsey" wrote:
The chute was actually designed into the airframe to circumvent
difficulties with spin recovery requirements was it not?

Not necessary spin problems, but as a suitable alternative to spin
testing, and because the aircraft designers believed in the parachute
as an increase to safety.

With the chute, they did not have to FAA spin test it for
certification.

The more I hear this line of reasoning, the more I wonder why a
manufacturer would NOT spin test their aircraft? Surely, the increased
cost of testing would not offset the inuendo that the aircraft can't
recover from a spin? If I were in a position to spend that kind of money
on a plane, I'd want to know that it could be flown within all normal
parameters, and my opinion is that spin recovery is a normal parameter.

Neil

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Kingfish writes:

G36 replaced the A36. The only real difference is the new Garmin 1000
glass panel. Similarly, the B58 Baron is now the G58 Baron with the
same panel.

Can you get these aircraft without the glass panel? The last thing
I'd want is a Garmin 1000.

Not to worry... on your income, it's a non-issue.

Neil

Neil Gould writes:

Not to worry... on your income, it's a non-issue.

That doesn't answer the question. Can these aircraft still be had
without the PC clone in the cockpit?

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Neil Gould writes:

The more I hear this line of reasoning, the more I wonder why a
manufacturer would NOT spin test their aircraft? Surely, the increased
cost of testing would not offset the inuendo that the aircraft can't
recover from a spin?

Assuming that potential buyers ask about it, which they might not.

If I were in a position to spend that kind of money
on a plane, I'd want to know that it could be flown within all normal
parameters, and my opinion is that spin recovery is a normal parameter.

Is the Cirrus line expensive, in comparison to other GA aircraft?

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Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Pilot stupidity is the primary causal factor of most GA accidents.

All accidents are, at the root, due to pilot error. Sometimes, though, the
pilot's only error is in getting out of bed that day.....

Ron Wanttaja

I don't agree. The DC-10 in Sioux City IA (Capt Hays); an MD 80 ntype
crask in the Pacific, The Airbus in New York soon after 9/11, etc are
mechanical issues that I would not attribute to the pilot(s).

Ron Lee

Neil,

The more I hear this line of reasoning, the more I wonder why a
manufacturer would NOT spin test their aircraft?

Money.

Surely, the increased
cost of testing would not offset the inuendo that the aircraft can't
recover from a spin?

It can. The certified method for that is to pull the chute.

Why use a chute rather than certify traditional spin recovery? They
wanted the chute anyway, so they saved money. Why build in a chute? Look
at the sales numbers.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:

G36 replaced the A36. The only real difference is the new Garmin 1000
glass panel. Similarly, the B58 Baron is now the G58 Baron with the
same panel.

Can you get these aircraft without the glass panel? The last thing
I'd want is a Garmin 1000.


I think the G1000 has become standard equipment on both planes now

yes the g36. but I am talking used.
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Aluckyguess writes:

I think its a great plane, but at this point if I was considering a new
plane I would go A36.

Is the A36 still in production? I thought it had been replaced
recently by a very similar but somewhat updated model.

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Kingfish writes:

I think the G1000 has become standard equipment on both planes now

But can you get them without the G1000, with more reliable avionics?

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