Common instruments on small aircraft

"Judah" wrote

A small number of his questions might actually allow someone to learn from
others' experience.

You are really reaching for it, when you use might in the above sentence.

MOST of his questions are unnecessary, argumentative, have already been
answered in previous threads, or just plain dumb. We can do without his
questions. Are you sure that continuing the dialogue with him is what you want
to be doing?

Did you read the post from Dudley in today's postings? He hit the nail on the
head. In short, Dudley said the guy is one of the best trolls he has seen in a
long time. As usual, Dudley is right on. He goes on to say that he is so good,
because he gets people like you to post in response to him, and people like me
to say it is the wrong thing to do.

I really want to quit doing this. I want the troll to go away. Do you? You
know what to do. Do the right thing.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
Did you read the post from Dudley in today's postings? He hit the nail on the
head. In short, Dudley said the guy is one of the best trolls he has seen in a
long time. As usual, Dudley is right on.

I would say he's not. Having been a sysop on Compuserve back in the
80's, and on the net for decades, and having got into some decent
trolling and flamewars, I'd say that he's not a troll. But I would
say that those who get annoyed at him should seriously get a life
before they get angry and hit a kid, or kill someone in their plane,
when they lose their temper over the least little things.

See, I have a younger brother who's a nuclear engineer with a zillion
degrees. He has a dry sense of humor, takes little offense or even
recognition of other people at times, and will ask questions but keep
his opinion even when he's dead wrong. In short, his messages are very
similar to Mxsmanics. But he's an okay guy, really.

So I think he's just the way he is, and IMO people who post offensive
replies to him show us far more about their own limitations than his.
I'm sure they're nice people in person, but you really couldn't tell
from their harsh and really unfunny replies.

Regards, Kev

"Kev" wrote

But I would
say that those who get annoyed at him should seriously get a life
before they get angry and hit a kid, or kill someone in their plane,
when they lose their temper over the least little things.

"I" would say you are way out of line, comparing somone who gets annoyed at
"him", to a person that loses their temper and hits a kid, or kills someone in
their plane, when they lose their temper over the least little thing.

WAY over the line, out of line.

See, I have a younger brother who's a nuclear engineer with a zillion
degrees. He has a dry sense of humor, takes little offense or even
recognition of other people at times, and will ask questions but keep
his opinion even when he's dead wrong.

I teach high school kids. Believe me when I tell you I come across people like
your brother all of the time. The difference is, they have a real interest in
the subject they are asking about. This guy does not.

This is a group about flying airplanes, not simulator games. Real airplanes. He
has repeatedly stated that he has no interest in flying a real plane, and does
not see why anyone would feel the need to fly a real airplane. His questions
belong in a simulator group, and could be answered by the people in that group
that are also real pilots, and have real knowlege about the things he wants to
know. His questions are only annoying in this group, since they have no place
here.

In short, his messages are very similar to Mxsmanics. But he's an okay guy,
really.

I'm glad. It is possible that this guy is a okay guy in person, also. I don't
know, because I have never met him.

Their is another big difference, between the comparison you make to your
brother, and the questions he asks, and you answer. At some point, you have
control over what you choose to answer, and when to ignore, or redirect the
questions. There is no such choice, here.

It is like a non smoker (you) sitting in a public place, having a conversation
with a friend, and he (a smoker) comes up, sits down, and lights up. The breeze
is blowing the smoke all over both of you. You have a very easy choice to make.
Get up and move if you don't like it. You continue your conversation, and he
gets up and moves, so he can join the conversation, and continues to let his
smoke blow all over both of you, again.

What do you do? Would you continue to move, and have him follow? He does have
the right to be ther and smoke, right?

I doubt that you would remain silent, nor would most people. Yet you say it is
not right to object to his questions, and interuptions, and outright domination
of the subjects.

If the people of a locality decide that this public place that he is smoking in,
is offending too many people, they can get an issue put on a ballot, and a vote
takes place removing the right of the smoker to light up in this place.

We are the non smokers. We can not make it a violation for him to post (light
up) here, so we have to put up with it. Does that make it right? No. All we
can do is ask (as a majority) that he take his questions (smoke) elsewhere. I
have to believe that you are in the minority, and if it were possibble to vote
on it, he would be asked to leave.

If you want to answer his questions, go over to the sim group, when he moves
over there to ask his questions. You have the option of going into the smoking
room with him, if you choose.

So I think he's just the way he is, and IMO people who post offensive
replies to him show us far more about their own limitations than his.
I'm sure they're nice people in person, but you really couldn't tell
from their harsh and really unfunny replies.

Some have been offensive, yes. That is the nature of usenet. I believe that
although I have been vocal, in most cases I have not been vulgar, or overly
offensive. Some have. So what? It says nothing abut them, other than the fact
that they are extremely frustrated and annoyed by the continued invasion, by a
troll. I've been in this group for somewhere around 7 years, and I have never
seen anything close to what this guy has been doing. Nothing even similar to
draw a comparison. It is no wonder that people are frustrated. I am pretty
laid back, and as you can probably tell, I'm frustrated.

Very frustrated.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans writes:

"I" would say you are way out of line, comparing somone who gets annoyed at
"him", to a person that loses their temper and hits a kid, or kills someone in
their plane, when they lose their temper over the least little thing.

WAY over the line, out of line.

In fact, you are demonstrating his point, both with your attitude
above and with your three-page post on a question of personality
rather than the topic under discussion.

People who get angry or flustered over a simple text exchange on
USENET can be a lot more dangerous in real life. The same personality
dynamics are at work in both cases. The person who can't tolerate
disagreement in a simple online exchange may not wish to agree with
established rules of flight or instruments, either, and may feel
inclined to hit people who disagree with him and are within arm's
reach.

People who are immune to this do not engage in personal attacks, and
write posts on the subject at hand, not long essays on the people they
dislike. These personality characteristics, both positive and
negative, carry over into life outside cyberspace.

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"Morgans" wrote in
:

Very frustrated.

I can certainly understand your frustration. That's why I plonked him for
about a week myself. But unlike your Smokers' example, you can plonk him and
then you won't see his messages... It's quite refreshing, actually.

Then after a few days you may realize that there's not much to read on this
board if you leave out his threads. He certainly has prompted a lot of
activity on this group...

You can instead choose just to ignore the questions or comments that don't
contribute to this group, and limit yourself to addressing the stuff that is
useful to pilots. That's what I have tried to do. For example, a discussion
of the different types of avionics that can be found on rentable aircraft
seems to be very appropriate in this newsgroup.

Admittedly, I've not been completely consistent, because admittedly, when he
leaves himself wide open it's just too much fun not to point out the folly of
his arrogance.

But unlike second hand smoke, there really is no one forcing you to read his
messages or even his threads...

Kev writes:

I'm sure they're nice people in person, but you really couldn't tell
from their harsh and really unfunny replies.

USENET is like alcohol, in that it causes people to reveal their real
personalities.

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