Common instruments on small aircraft

Actually, you are incorrect. MANY airports have museums either on the field
or within walking distance.

Possibly. But very few museums I'm interested in have airports, and very
few museums with airports are of any interest to me.

Stefan

Steven Barnes wrote:
So is the "speed up the world 32 times" option. I'm waiting for my A&P to
get a bid for one on my real airplane...

The A&P would love that if it ran the Hobbs
meter at 32x as well.




"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...

Stefan writes:


Must be real fun to fly MSFS on autopilot...

I enjoy it, especially in large aircraft, and autopilot is a great
advantage on long trips.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

In rec.aviation.student RK Henry wrote:

GKT- The Tennessee Air Museum, Sevierville, TN. The museum is on the
airport. (www.tnairmuseum.com) Of course other local destinations
include Pigeon Forge, Gatlinburg, and The Great Smoky Mountain
National Park, but you'll need ground transportation for those. I live
close enough that driving is feasible, but flying is a nicer way to
get to the museum and I don't have to buck highway traffic.

CRE- Crescent Beach, North Myrtle Beach, SC. The beach is a couple of
blocks from the airport. About a mile. Of course MYR is 13 NM
southwest at Myrtle Beach, but I haven't actually been there. The last
time I was in Myrtle Beach, MYR was a military base. MYR is also close
to the shore. (Current pireps on CRE & MYR please.)

Funny. In all the times I've gone there, I've never heard "Crescent
Beach" before. It's Grand Strand Airport, or North Myrtle Beach. This
is a great airport. Almost always someone comes out with a cart to
direct you to parking. They normally have 5 or more cars available for
rental and will let you have one for free if you are just going out for
a short lunch. Walking to the beach is about 3/4 mile. Wide, clean,
fine-grained sand.


W45- Luray, VA. Luray Caverns. (www.luraycaverns.com) Free courtesy
transportation to the caverns. After the tour of the caverns, which
includes a recital of the Great Stalacpipe Organ, there's an antique
auto museum with several interesting cars I'd never seen before.

FFA- First Flight at Kill Devil Hills, NC. The Wright Brothers museum
is said to be within walking distance. This destination is still on my
to-do list. (Current pireps on this one too please.) www.nps.gov/wrbr

Don't forget W95. South of FFA, Ocracoke is still my favorite
destination. Land within spitting distance of the ocean. Take a short
walk to Howard's Pub or a little further to check out the village.
(Think Patrick McGoohan...)

--
Don Poitras

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

So?

Unless one is coincidentally interested in the handful of museums
close to airstrips, the fact that a few might be close is not terribly
relevant.

Or, if the place you want to see if 400 miles away, you could fly to
the nearest airport, rent a car for the last 5 miles, and get there in
substantially less time.

And dramatically higher cost, higher even than a commercial flight in
some cases.

That depends on way too many factors for such a generic claim. It also
largely depends on how you value your own time.

In my case it is frequently not cheaper to fly privately than it is to fly
commercially, especially when ALL related costs are considered. For
example, it costs me $30 per day to park at LGA... When flying GA, I don't
pay to park at the gate across from my tiedown area, even if I park there
for a week. I need to add that to my total cost in an apples-to-apples
comparison. Interestingly enough, comparing my time in a Commercial vs. GA
scenario varies, because if I am on a commercial flight at a decent hour, I
can usually work on the plane, which makes up for some of the lost time
waiting in lines, etc. But the biggest savings comes when I am flying to a
destination that is not serviced by a major airport, but which has a small
airport very nearby. Then I save time by flying to an airport 10 or 15
minutes away from my destination, instead of flying commercially to a major
metro 60-120 minutes away.

You could also rent a car.

That doesn't count, either, because you're using a car.

Doesn't count in what way? A claim that flying is a useful method of
transportation?

Then I could say the same thing about your example. Driving to the Louvre
doesn't count, because you have to walk past the front lawn and up the
stairs to get to the ticket counter. So even though you drove most of the
way, the example is invalid because you also had to walk. I also presume
that you don't have Metro stops at every specific location that you want to
visit, and must find a way to get from the final stop to your ultimate
destination... Sometimes it might even include a taxi.

So there are exceptional circumstances in which it might be practical.
I don't know if that makes GA cost-effective overall, however.

In my experience, there is a "sweet spot" where GA will be more cost
effective than commercial flying. It varies by the type of plane flown, the
cost, and the location where you live, and my sweet spot has gotten bigger
as I've grown into faster planes at better rates. In my case, I will
frequently save time and money flying GA to airports that are from 150 -
600 miles from my home. Shorter than 150 miles, it becomes more practical
to drive, because the time savings is not very significant. Longer than 600
miles or so, it generally becomes more practical to fly commercially
because the costs for cross-country Airline flights tend to be
disproportionately low.

You have a very narrow perception of reality, because your knowledge
and experience are very limited in this regard. You should avoid making
claims about things that you have no idea about.

Since you've favored me with irrelevant personal advice, I'll return
the favor: Stick to the subject, as I do.

I enjoy discussions stemming from questions that you ask in the interest of
learning more about piloting aircraft. I am glad to share my experiences
witn you and the rest of this group. I've even stopped trying to convince
you to go take a discovery flight, since you have made it clear that you
will not. But when you make a claim with anti-GA undercurrents that is
based on opinions that have been founded in something other than fact, you
can expect me to respond harshly, and I would consider that quite on topic.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

What makes you say this is makeshift?

Because it is. It takes a lot of time and attention during phases of
flight where time and attention are at a premium.

It's a simple cost benefit factor. I believe for a certain period of time
in the 70s, most Piper trainer aircraft came stock with only one radio. It
was adequate. In fact, it was an improvement over the light beacons of the
early flying days. But believe it or not, people were able to navigate
successfully by air even before there were Radio Navaids... And if they
made a wrong turn, much as in a car, they turned around and found their
way, or stopped at an airport and asked for directions.

Then you would get your Instrument Rating and fly a plane that had the
minimum required equipment. You might also carry some backup
instruments like a handheld GPS and handheld NAV/COM.

I'd want a GPS and radios in the plane, but I might well carry
handhelds just to be safe (along with a lot of other emergency stuff).

There are several sites where you can download sectionals at no cost.
It was discussed in an earlier thread. You can google it.

I'll look around.


The very first link offerred by a google of "free Sectionals" produces a
link that will satisfy your need. Took me all of about 2 minutes to find.

Roy Smith wrote in news:roy-FBD347.15455622102006
@reader2.panix.com:

In article ,
Judah wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

And if only cross-country travel by car required only "actual driving
time".

They do. You can drive directly from door to door, so total travel
time is essentially the same as driving time.


I see. So you couldn't imagine stopping for gas, traffic lights, traffic
jams, detours, and stretch/bio breaks on a 600 mile cross country trip?

What? You don't have a relief tube in your car? :-)


Hahah! You know, I should probably get one of those Gel Packs for the car
like I have for the plane. Especially for the road trips that involve the
kids!

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

I see. So you couldn't imagine stopping for gas, traffic lights, traffic
jams, detours, and stretch/bio breaks on a 600 mile cross country trip?

You can't imagine holding patterns, weather diversions, and
less-than-straight routing?

Sure I can. What is your point? I was responding to your comment that drive
time doesn't include anything but time actually driving, which is inaccurate.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

But I would consider a factor of 2-3 times faster over the ground as
significantly greater.

Not compared to jets.


Not compared to the speed of light, either.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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For what it's worth. VFR, I don't file a flight plan, get in my plane
just like my car. The above was a VFR flight.

Where and when will they look for you if you crash?

Probably wherever you last showed up on their radar, especially if you have a
transponder, were receiving flight following, and/or called for help on the
emergency frequency.

IFR, takes 5 minutes on simple flights to 10 minutes to multi leg flights
to get everything in order thanks to computerization of planning. This
includes getting my approach plates in order, filing the plan with the
FAA.

Then it should be easy to file one for VFR flights.

It is.

Sheeze, so you don't file flight plans in your game world ...

Actually I do. Even some VFR flight plans.

That's interesting. Do you use VATSim? What is the purpose of a flight plan
in a simulation? They will certainly know where to look if you crash.

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:24:26 +0000 (UTC), (Don
Poitras) wrote:

In rec.aviation.student RK Henry wrote:

GKT- The Tennessee Air Museum, Sevierville, TN. The museum is on the
airport. (www.tnairmuseum.com) Of course other local destinations
include Pigeon Forge, Gatlinburg, and The Great Smoky Mountain
National Park, but you'll need ground transportation for those. I live
close enough that driving is feasible, but flying is a nicer way to
get to the museum and I don't have to buck highway traffic.

CRE- Crescent Beach, North Myrtle Beach, SC. The beach is a couple of
blocks from the airport. About a mile. Of course MYR is 13 NM
southwest at Myrtle Beach, but I haven't actually been there. The last
time I was in Myrtle Beach, MYR was a military base. MYR is also close
to the shore. (Current pireps on CRE & MYR please.)

Funny. In all the times I've gone there, I've never heard "Crescent
Beach" before. It's Grand Strand Airport, or North Myrtle Beach. This
is a great airport. Almost always someone comes out with a cart to
direct you to parking. They normally have 5 or more cars available for
rental and will let you have one for free if you are just going out for
a short lunch. Walking to the beach is about 3/4 mile. Wide, clean,
fine-grained sand.

Right you are. I've always called it "Crescent Beach" because that's
where it gets its ID: CRE. Not sure when it stopped being Crescent
Beach and started being Grand Strand. It is indeed a very nice
airport. And a nice beach.

Illustrating for the unbelievers that an airplane can be used for some
nice trips.

W45- Luray, VA. Luray Caverns. (www.luraycaverns.com) Free courtesy
transportation to the caverns. After the tour of the caverns, which
includes a recital of the Great Stalacpipe Organ, there's an antique
auto museum with several interesting cars I'd never seen before.

FFA- First Flight at Kill Devil Hills, NC. The Wright Brothers museum
is said to be within walking distance. This destination is still on my
to-do list. (Current pireps on this one too please.) www.nps.gov/wrbr

Don't forget W95. South of FFA, Ocracoke is still my favorite
destination. Land within spitting distance of the ocean. Take a short
walk to Howard's Pub or a little further to check out the village.
(Think Patrick McGoohan...)

I'll make a note, number 6.

RK Henry