ATC out to get us?

In article ,
Andrew Gideon wrote:

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:47:13 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

You weren't. Unless you hear "cleared into the class bravo", you're not.

Hmm.

Yesterday, I was southbound towards CDW at 3500. I was VFR, but wanted
the LOC22 into CDW (for practice, not because it's an annoying airport to
spot at a distance {8^). The way I worded the request (more or less) was:

...requesting class B at 3500 and LOC22 circle to land

[CDW was landing 27 and it was windy enough that I wasn't going to argue
that one.]

The response was something like "both requests approved as requested" and
he then mentioned, though I forget the wording, that I'd only be at 3500
for a few more moments.

No "cleared". Yet I felt that there was sufficient clarity in the
approval of my request.

I'm glad you thought so. Did you think you had permission to enter the
CBAS? Were you planning on doing so? Did you?

Should I drag out and send in a NASA form?

Depends. Do you think you violated some FAR?

What I would have done in that situation was to read back, "Understand I'm
cleared into the Class Bravo".

I was flying with someone else (because I was doing approaches under
foggles). We discussed whether that constituted a valid clearance. My
copilot was sure that it was fine, and I was pretty sure.

If he didn't say the word "cleared", then it wasn't a clearance. At least
not one that I would be confident would stand up to a review of the tapes.

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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What I would have done in that situation was to read back, "Understand I'm
cleared into the Class Bravo".

When I'm in that situation, I prefer "Confirm cleared into Class Bravo", to
make it explicit that I'm requesting a response.

--Gary

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:27:03 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

In article ,
Andrew Gideon wrote:

Should I drag out and send in a NASA form?

Depends. Do you think you violated some FAR?

You don't need to have violated any rules to file an ASRS report. The
idea of the system is to gather data on safety issues. Immunity is
just a bonus to encourage reports. If you think that an unsafe
condition exists, feel free to tell about it, regardless of whether
you think you're on the hook. Data submitted when you've done
everything right are just as useful as data submitted when you've
screwed up. Don't worry that the safety issue isn't serious enough,
let the NASA analysts worry about that. The report costs nothing
(well, postage), might protect you from FAA action, and might help
make the system safer. It's a win/win.

If you're worried that you need to file a NASA ASRS report, then why
not just do it and get some sleep?

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/

Has anyone tried the electronic filing yet? If so, how about a pirep?

RK Henry