Solar storms spell trouble for GPS

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:17:38 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote in
:


BFD, All those radios are called Aids to navigation for a
reason, they are conveniences.

Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as implemented? I just
thought it might be a good idea to provide the information to those
weren't.

Of course, this issue makes no mention of solar mass ejections, that
can potentially knock out any satellite.

It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some technological innovation
tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming uneasy with the
apparent lack of robustness engineered in these early systems.


CAL found Paris with just a compass and a chart.

Yes. It was an Earth Inductor Compass*. I've never seen one of those
in any aircraft in which I've flown, let alone piloted.


* http://oldbeacon.com/beacon/earth_inductor_compass.htm

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:17:38 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote in
:


BFD, All those radios are called Aids to navigation for a
reason, they are conveniences.


Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as implemented? I just
thought it might be a good idea to provide the information to those
weren't.

Of course, this issue makes no mention of solar mass ejections, that
can potentially knock out any satellite.

It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some technological innovation
tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming uneasy with the
apparent lack of robustness engineered in these early systems.


CAL found Paris with just a compass and a chart.

Yes. It was an Earth Inductor Compass*. I've never seen one of those
in any aircraft in which I've flown, let alone piloted.


* http://oldbeacon.com/beacon/earth_inductor_compass.htm


Did anybody see NOVA on PBS last night. The earth is overdue for a pole
reversal. According to the program, we are already seeing issues towards
that. Interesting program.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

The Earth is rotating and orbiting within a strong magnetic
field of the Sun, [not to mention the whole Universe].

The magnetic pole is not located on the axis and as a result
the variation wanders. It appears that the Earth's magnetic
field is electromagnetic and AC.

The Earth doesn't physically flip over, the phase angle
flips.



"Ross Richardson" wrote in message
...
| Larry Dighera wrote:
| On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:17:38 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote in
| :
|
|
| BFD, All those radios are called Aids to navigation for
a
| reason, they are conveniences.
|
|
| Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as implemented?
I just
| thought it might be a good idea to provide the
information to those
| weren't.
|
| Of course, this issue makes no mention of solar mass
ejections, that
| can potentially knock out any satellite.
|
| It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some
technological innovation
| tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming uneasy
with the
| apparent lack of robustness engineered in these early
systems.
|
|
| CAL found Paris with just a compass and a chart.
|
| Yes. It was an Earth Inductor Compass*. I've never
seen one of those
| in any aircraft in which I've flown, let alone piloted.
|
|
| * http://oldbeacon.com/beacon/earth_inductor_compass.htm
|
|
| Did anybody see NOVA on PBS last night. The earth is
overdue for a pole
| reversal. According to the program, we are already seeing
issues towards
| that. Interesting program.
|
| --
|
| Regards, Ross
| C-172F 180HP
| KSWI

Jim Macklin wrote:
The Earth is rotating and orbiting within a strong magnetic
field of the Sun, [not to mention the whole Universe].

The magnetic pole is not located on the axis and as a result
the variation wanders. It appears that the Earth's magnetic
field is electromagnetic and AC.

The Earth doesn't physically flip over, the phase angle
flips.



"Ross Richardson" wrote in message
...
| Larry Dighera wrote:
| On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:17:38 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote in
| :
|
|
| BFD, All those radios are called Aids to navigation for
a
| reason, they are conveniences.
|
|
| Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as implemented?
I just
| thought it might be a good idea to provide the
information to those
| weren't.
|
| Of course, this issue makes no mention of solar mass
ejections, that
| can potentially knock out any satellite.
|
| It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some
technological innovation
| tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming uneasy
with the
| apparent lack of robustness engineered in these early
systems.
|
|
| CAL found Paris with just a compass and a chart.
|
| Yes. It was an Earth Inductor Compass*. I've never
seen one of those
| in any aircraft in which I've flown, let alone piloted.
|
|
| * http://oldbeacon.com/beacon/earth_inductor_compass.htm
|
|
| Did anybody see NOVA on PBS last night. The earth is
overdue for a pole
| reversal. According to the program, we are already seeing
issues towards
| that. Interesting program.
|
| --
|
| Regards, Ross
| C-172F 180HP
| KSWI


What this program stated and I had read it elsewhere, is the magnetic
core within the earth had flipped every 200K to 700K years. Geologist
know how to figure this out from core samples. They said the last one
was over 700K years ago. The north magnetic pole (as we know it) flips
to the south pole.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Then we need to resurrect the Tate Compass Company, who installed the
magnets in their compasses backwards so that North was South, East was West.

This started the old saying, "He who has a Tate's is lost".

Jim


What this program stated and I had read it elsewhere, is the magnetic core
within the earth had flipped every 200K to 700K years. Geologist know how
to figure this out from core samples. They said the last one was over 700K
years ago. The north magnetic pole (as we know it) flips to the south
pole.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

"RST Engineering" wrote in message ...
: Then we need to resurrect the Tate Compass Company, who installed the
: magnets in their compasses backwards so that North was South, East was West.
:
: This started the old saying, "He who has a Tate's is lost".
:
: Jim
:
:
:

My daughter says that joke should die....


;-)

Commenting on future reversal of the Earth's magnetic poles, Jim Weir wrote,
Then we need to resurrect the Tate Compass Company, who installed the
magnets in their compasses backwards so that North was South, East was
West.

This started the old saying, "He who has a Tate's is lost".

Good one! I thought I'd heard then all, but this one's new to me.

Or it just does like the AC current in the power grid and
switch to the other side of the power curve. The actual
material doesn't have to move, the energy to flip over
billions of tons of spinning matter isn't there. But as an
A/C generator, it is just a question of electrons.




"Ross Richardson" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| The Earth is rotating and orbiting within a strong
magnetic
| field of the Sun, [not to mention the whole Universe].
|
| The magnetic pole is not located on the axis and as a
result
| the variation wanders. It appears that the Earth's
magnetic
| field is electromagnetic and AC.
|
| The Earth doesn't physically flip over, the phase angle
| flips.
|
|
|
| "Ross Richardson" wrote in message
| ...
| | Larry Dighera wrote:
| | On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:17:38 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| | wrote in
| | :
| |
| |
| | BFD, All those radios are called Aids to navigation
for
| a
| | reason, they are conveniences.
| |
| |
| | Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as
implemented?
| I just
| | thought it might be a good idea to provide the
| information to those
| | weren't.
| |
| | Of course, this issue makes no mention of solar mass
| ejections, that
| | can potentially knock out any satellite.
| |
| | It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some
| technological innovation
| | tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming
uneasy
| with the
| | apparent lack of robustness engineered in these
early
| systems.
| |
| |
| | CAL found Paris with just a compass and a chart.
| |
| | Yes. It was an Earth Inductor Compass*. I've never
| seen one of those
| | in any aircraft in which I've flown, let alone
piloted.
| |
| |
| | *
http://oldbeacon.com/beacon/earth_inductor_compass.htm
| |
| |
| | Did anybody see NOVA on PBS last night. The earth is
| overdue for a pole
| | reversal. According to the program, we are already
seeing
| issues towards
| | that. Interesting program.
| |
| | --
| |
| | Regards, Ross
| | C-172F 180HP
| | KSWI
|
|
| What this program stated and I had read it elsewhere, is
the magnetic
| core within the earth had flipped every 200K to 700K
years. Geologist
| know how to figure this out from core samples. They said
the last one
| was over 700K years ago. The north magnetic pole (as we
know it) flips
| to the south pole.
|
| --
|
| Regards, Ross
| C-172F 180HP
| KSWI

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:46:22 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Or it just does like the AC current in the power grid and
switch to the other side of the power curve. The actual
material doesn't have to move, the energy to flip over
billions of tons of spinning matter isn't there. But as an
A/C generator, it is just a question of electrons.

A while back Scientific American devoted a lot of space to this. There
was also a program on it at least a year ago.

Apparently the core is not a uniform spinning mass. There are
convection currents up and down as well as the circulating currents we
normally think of. Depending on the orientation, the flow across the
top may be N,S, E, W, or some where in between. It appears the
reversals are not a singular event, but may happen in stages and at
different times through out the overall reversal. I don't think they
are even sure of how these events may even interact...if they do.

I've not seen any information on the total time expected for a
complete reversal to happen. Indications (some isolated events that
appear to be reversals) are that we are starting into or could be well
into a change. Does it take 10 years, 100 years, or a 1000 years once
its started? I don't think any one knows enough to even make a guess
except for those based on core samples which are again going to be
local. OTOH I believe they are pretty well documented along the mid
Atlantic ridge which is probably the best accessible global record
that spans many millions of years. There they have done surveys using
magnetometers to get some pretty detailed maps along with a number of
core samples. http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/reversals.html

A comparable surface feature is the mid African rift valley where the
rift and active volcanoes can be seen. That is one wide valley, but
the eastern walls are virtually straight up. I've never seen the
western side..

Now stop and think... The New Madrid fault lies atop a "failed rift"
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/...php#february_7
between St Louis and Memphis. What if it decided to start opening
again? Even a major quake along that fault would be something to
behold. They figure if it lets go like it did back in 1812 there
would be substantial damage clear up into lower Michigan and it'd
shake the skyscrapers in NY and NJ. These have not been single events
but a series of large events over several months.






"Ross Richardson" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| The Earth is rotating and orbiting within a strong
magnetic
| field of the Sun, [not to mention the whole Universe].
|
| The magnetic pole is not located on the axis and as a
result
| the variation wanders. It appears that the Earth's
magnetic
| field is electromagnetic and AC.
|
| The Earth doesn't physically flip over, the phase angle
| flips.
|
|
|
| "Ross Richardson" wrote in message
| ...
| | Larry Dighera wrote:
| | On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:17:38 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| | wrote in
| | :
| |
| |
| | BFD, All those radios are called Aids to navigation
for
| a
| | reason, they are conveniences.
| |
| |
| | Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as
implemented?
| I just
| | thought it might be a good idea to provide the
| information to those
| | weren't.
| |
| | Of course, this issue makes no mention of solar mass
| ejections, that
| | can potentially knock out any satellite.
| |
| | It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some
| technological innovation
| | tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming
uneasy
| with the
| | apparent lack of robustness engineered in these
early
| systems.
| |
| |
| | CAL found Paris with just a compass and a chart.
| |
| | Yes. It was an Earth Inductor Compass*. I've never
| seen one of those
| | in any aircraft in which I've flown, let alone
piloted.
| |
| |
| | *
http://oldbeacon.com/beacon/earth_inductor_compass.htm
| |
| |
| | Did anybody see NOVA on PBS last night. The earth is
| overdue for a pole
| | reversal. According to the program, we are already
seeing
| issues towards
| | that. Interesting program.
| |
| | --
| |
| | Regards, Ross
| | C-172F 180HP
| | KSWI
|
|
| What this program stated and I had read it elsewhere, is
the magnetic
| core within the earth had flipped every 200K to 700K
years. Geologist
| know how to figure this out from core samples. They said
the last one
| was over 700K years ago. The north magnetic pole (as we
know it) flips
| to the south pole.
|
| --
|
| Regards, Ross
| C-172F 180HP
| KSWI

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Fact is the more humans learn about geology, the more we
learn we don't know.



"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:46:22 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Or it just does like the AC current in the power grid and
| switch to the other side of the power curve. The actual
| material doesn't have to move, the energy to flip over
| billions of tons of spinning matter isn't there. But as
an
| A/C generator, it is just a question of electrons.
|
| A while back Scientific American devoted a lot of space to
this. There
| was also a program on it at least a year ago.
|
| Apparently the core is not a uniform spinning mass. There
are
| convection currents up and down as well as the circulating
currents we
| normally think of. Depending on the orientation, the flow
across the
| top may be N,S, E, W, or some where in between. It
appears the
| reversals are not a singular event, but may happen in
stages and at
| different times through out the overall reversal. I don't
think they
| are even sure of how these events may even interact...if
they do.
|
| I've not seen any information on the total time expected
for a
| complete reversal to happen. Indications (some isolated
events that
| appear to be reversals) are that we are starting into or
could be well
| into a change. Does it take 10 years, 100 years, or a 1000
years once
| its started? I don't think any one knows enough to even
make a guess
| except for those based on core samples which are again
going to be
| local. OTOH I believe they are pretty well documented
along the mid
| Atlantic ridge which is probably the best accessible
global record
| that spans many millions of years. There they have done
surveys using
| magnetometers to get some pretty detailed maps along with
a number of
| core samples. http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/reversals.html
|
| A comparable surface feature is the mid African rift
valley where the
| rift and active volcanoes can be seen. That is one wide
valley, but
| the eastern walls are virtually straight up. I've never
seen the
| western side..
|
| Now stop and think... The New Madrid fault lies atop a
"failed rift"
|
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/...php#february_7
| between St Louis and Memphis. What if it decided to start
opening
| again? Even a major quake along that fault would be
something to
| behold. They figure if it lets go like it did back in
1812 there
| would be substantial damage clear up into lower Michigan
and it'd
| shake the skyscrapers in NY and NJ. These have not been
single events
| but a series of large events over several months.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "Ross Richardson" wrote in message
| ...
| | Jim Macklin wrote:
| | The Earth is rotating and orbiting within a strong
| magnetic
| | field of the Sun, [not to mention the whole
Universe].
| |
| | The magnetic pole is not located on the axis and as a
| result
| | the variation wanders. It appears that the Earth's
| magnetic
| | field is electromagnetic and AC.
| |
| | The Earth doesn't physically flip over, the phase
angle
| | flips.
| |
| |
| |
| | "Ross Richardson" wrote in
message
| | ...
| | | Larry Dighera wrote:
| | | On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:17:38 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| | | wrote in
| | | :
| | |
| | |
| | | BFD, All those radios are called Aids to
navigation
| for
| | a
| | | reason, they are conveniences.
| | |
| | |
| | | Were you aware of the design flaw in GPS as
| implemented?
| | I just
| | | thought it might be a good idea to provide the
| | information to those
| | | weren't.
| | |
| | | Of course, this issue makes no mention of solar
mass
| | ejections, that
| | | can potentially knock out any satellite.
| | |
| | | It appears that we are (finally?) seeing some
| | technological innovation
| | | tickling down to the GA fleet, but I'm becoming
| uneasy
| | with the
| | | apparent lack of robustness engineered in these
| early
| | systems.
| | |
| | |
| | | CAL found Paris with just a compass and a chart.
| | |
| | | Yes. It was an Earth Inductor Compass*. I've
never
| | seen one of those
| | | in any aircraft in which I've flown, let alone
| piloted.
| | |
| | |
| | | *
| http://oldbeacon.com/beacon/earth_inductor_compass.htm
| | |
| | |
| | | Did anybody see NOVA on PBS last night. The earth
is
| | overdue for a pole
| | | reversal. According to the program, we are already
| seeing
| | issues towards
| | | that. Interesting program.
| | |
| | | --
| | |
| | | Regards, Ross
| | | C-172F 180HP
| | | KSWI
| |
| |
| | What this program stated and I had read it elsewhere,
is
| the magnetic
| | core within the earth had flipped every 200K to 700K
| years. Geologist
| | know how to figure this out from core samples. They
said
| the last one
| | was over 700K years ago. The north magnetic pole (as we
| know it) flips
| | to the south pole.
| |
| | --
| |
| | Regards, Ross
| | C-172F 180HP
| | KSWI
|
| Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
| (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
| www.rogerhalstead.com