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Old October 26th 06, 03:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Kobra[_1_]
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As others state, why did you share it in the first place?


My wife loves flying with me and she sees a trip in the airplane as a major
treat. We have flown together everywhere from Maine to the Bahamas. She is
also going to start lessons this Spring and she began the Cleared for
Takeoff CD ground school course.

Whenever I buy a training DVD, as dry as they can be, she is excited to
watch them with me. I am lucky this way. But my only point to Mr. Collins
is that if you are going to immortalize your words on mass media about an
important subject near and dear, for God's sake, MAKE YOUR POINT, BUT CHOOSE
YOUR WORDS WITH SOME FORETHOUGHT.

Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say, ...*ONE LITTLE
MISTAKE WILL PUT ALL YOUR LIGHTS OUT?* I don't think Barry Schiff, Rod
Machado or John King would blunder their words like that. I sense they have
more discretion and sophistication.

Don't get me wrong...I do like and respect Mr. Collins. I have most of his
videos, I read his articles in Flying Magazine and I admire him as an
aviator. I just think he needs to sand and polish some of his writings
before he commits them to permanency.

Kobra



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Old October 26th 06, 04:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Peter R.
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Kobra wrote:

Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say, ...*ONE LITTLE
MISTAKE WILL PUT ALL YOUR LIGHTS OUT?* I don't think Barry Schiff, Rod
Machado or John King would blunder their words like that. I sense they have
more discretion and sophistication.


Rod Machado and John King would have probably stated, "One little mistake
and your whole day would be ruined," or "One little mistake and you would
end up having a very bad day." Similar in style to the quote you posted,
IMO.


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Old October 26th 06, 05:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Rod Machado and John King would have probably stated, "One little mistake
and your whole day would be ruined," or "One little mistake and you would
end up having a very bad day." Similar in style to the quote you posted,
IMO.


Exactly! That would have made the point, added humor and not been abrasive.

Kobra


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Old October 26th 06, 10:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Matt Whiting
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Kobra wrote:

Rod Machado and John King would have probably stated, "One little mistake
and your whole day would be ruined," or "One little mistake and you would
end up having a very bad day." Similar in style to the quote you posted,
IMO.



Exactly! That would have made the point, added humor and not been abrasive.


You are just too thin-skinned. Flying in that terrain and those
conditions isn't for the timid. Buck up!

Matt
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Old October 26th 06, 09:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Ron Lee
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"Peter R." wrote:

Kobra wrote:

Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say, ...*ONE LITTLE
MISTAKE WILL PUT ALL YOUR LIGHTS OUT?* I don't think Barry Schiff, Rod
Machado or John King would blunder their words like that. I sense they have
more discretion and sophistication.


Rod Machado and John King would have probably stated, "One little mistake
and your whole day would be ruined," or "One little mistake and you would
end up having a very bad day." Similar in style to the quote you posted,
IMO.


I prefer "This is where a serious mistake can get you killed....so
treat it with the respect it deserves."

Ron Lee
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Old October 26th 06, 09:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Dave Butler[_1_]
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Ron Lee wrote:
"Peter R." wrote:


Kobra wrote:


Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say, ...*ONE LITTLE
MISTAKE WILL PUT ALL YOUR LIGHTS OUT?* I don't think Barry Schiff, Rod
Machado or John King would blunder their words like that. I sense they have
more discretion and sophistication.


Rod Machado and John King would have probably stated, "One little mistake
and your whole day would be ruined," or "One little mistake and you would
end up having a very bad day." Similar in style to the quote you posted,
IMO.



I prefer "This is where a serious mistake can get you killed....so
treat it with the respect it deserves."


I like that better, too. Apparently the majority think Collins' words
are just fine. I'm with kobra, and I'll avoid that DVD. My wife has
enough aerophobia as it is, without her stumbling on something like that.

Dave
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Old October 27th 06, 07:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Peter R.
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Ron Lee wrote:

I prefer "This is where a serious mistake can get you killed....so
treat it with the respect it deserves."


I realize that, but in watching RM and JK lead the numerous lessons on
those private and instrument CD-ROM based ground school programs, it was
apparent that they were purposely avoiding the use of stronger, direct
words.


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Old October 27th 06, 08:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
B A R R Y[_2_]
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Peter R. wrote:

I realize that, but in watching RM and JK lead the numerous lessons on
those private and instrument CD-ROM based ground school programs, it was
apparent that they were purposely avoiding the use of stronger, direct
words.


I personally think JK tends to soften some risks, leaning towards an
"anyone can do this" attitude.

I like the K courses, and have learned lots from them, but...

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Old October 26th 06, 03:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Does anyone disagree that there's a better way to say, ...*ONE LITTLE
MISTAKE WILL PUT ALL YOUR LIGHTS OUT?*


I disagree.

Sometimes, one needs a blunt instrument to get the message across to
pilots who think that they are immune from the laws of physics, or that
certain rules don't apply to them. A more subtle approach may easily
miss the target.

"Do this and you will probably die" is sometimes called for.

Jose
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Old October 26th 06, 06:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Jose wrote:

"Do this and you will probably die" is sometimes called for.


Some of the better FAA Safety Seminar presenters I've seen have used
that exact wording to make a point. G

As pilots, we really need to be aware that some situations are very
dangerous if not taken seriously, and we need to plan accordingly for a
safe outcome. Sugarcoating and downplaying risk isn't productive to
anyone involved.

Once our attention is gained, we are in a better position to safely
perform the action. Better to put in the extra effort and study and
have it be no big deal, then to gloss over things and wish you hadn't
later...

 




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