IFR in the Eastern Mountains

Everett M. Greene wrote:


While you're at it, tell her that Collins exaggerates
greatly in that those overgrown hills back east aren't
mountains.

Hmmmm...I wonder why they're within the FAA's Eastern Designated
*Mountainous* Area then?

Sam Spade wrote:
While you're at it, tell her that Collins exaggerates
greatly in that those overgrown hills back east aren't
mountains.

Hmmmm...I wonder why they're within the FAA's Eastern Designated
*Mountainous* Area then?


They can be scary places under the right conditions. I remember coming out of
the Shenandoah Valley in a Piper Arrow with two others aboard on a nice warm
sunny day in the summertime and thinking I was never going to get over the
"hills". I was circling and trying to climb at the same time. Every time I'd
start to make a dash across I'd start sinking on the approach side and wimp out.
Probably it would have been less nerve wracking if it'd have been in IMC: I
just wouldn't have seen those ridges. OTOH, I might have had a really bad day.

I freely admit to being uncomfortable flying in mountainous areas. I was meant
to fly over water and flatlands where I'm less likely to have problems with
cumulo granitus.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


They can be scary places under the right conditions. I remember coming out of
the Shenandoah Valley in a Piper Arrow with two others aboard on a nice warm
sunny day in the summertime and thinking I was never going to get over the
"hills". I was circling and trying to climb at the same time. Every time I'd
start to make a dash across I'd start sinking on the approach side and wimp out.
Probably it would have been less nerve wracking if it'd have been in IMC: I
just wouldn't have seen those ridges. OTOH, I might have had a really bad day.


Whenever you are a couple thousand feet below the ridgeline on approach
or departure, a blunder into the terrain has the same result as if the
mountains were 10,000 feet higher than the airport.

You found out about terrain-induced wind effect and high density
altitude on nice summer day. A turbo-charged engine is helpful, even
around those "little" mountains.

Sam Spade writes:
Everett M. Greene wrote:

While you're at it, tell her that Collins exaggerates
greatly in that those overgrown hills back east aren't
mountains.

Hmmmm...I wonder why they're within the FAA's Eastern Designated
*Mountainous* Area then?

People in D.C. don't know what a mountain is?

Everett M. Greene wrote:
Sam Spade writes:

Everett M. Greene wrote:

While you're at it, tell her that Collins exaggerates
greatly in that those overgrown hills back east aren't
mountains.

Hmmmm...I wonder why they're within the FAA's Eastern Designated
*Mountainous* Area then?


People in D.C. don't know what a mountain is?

I presume you're speaking of the FAA. Most of the technical stuff is
headquartered in OKC. And, yes, those folks know a whole lot about
mountains, terrain effect, altimeter errors, and so forth.

I suspect it is you who don't have a firm grasp on what constitutes
mountainous terrain.

Sam Spade writes:
Everett M. Greene wrote:
Sam Spade writes:
Everett M. Greene wrote:

While you're at it, tell her that Collins exaggerates
greatly in that those overgrown hills back east aren't
mountains.

Hmmmm...I wonder why they're within the FAA's Eastern Designated
*Mountainous* Area then?

People in D.C. don't know what a mountain is?

I presume you're speaking of the FAA. Most of the technical stuff is
headquartered in OKC. And, yes, those folks know a whole lot about
mountains, terrain effect, altimeter errors, and so forth.

Okies have even less of an idea of what a mountain is.

I suspect it is you who don't have a firm grasp on what
constitutes mountainous terrain.

I spent a good portion of my life in Colorado and currently
live at the base of the Sierras. I do believe I recognize
a /real/ mountain when I see one.

You on the other hand are very gullible when it comes to
having your chain yanked.

Everett M. Greene wrote:

Sam Spade writes:

Everett M. Greene wrote:

Sam Spade writes:

Everett M. Greene wrote:


While you're at it, tell her that Collins exaggerates
greatly in that those overgrown hills back east aren't
mountains.

Hmmmm...I wonder why they're within the FAA's Eastern Designated
*Mountainous* Area then?

People in D.C. don't know what a mountain is?

I presume you're speaking of the FAA. Most of the technical stuff is
headquartered in OKC. And, yes, those folks know a whole lot about
mountains, terrain effect, altimeter errors, and so forth.


Okies have even less of an idea of what a mountain is.


I suspect it is you who don't have a firm grasp on what
constitutes mountainous terrain.


I spent a good portion of my life in Colorado and currently
live at the base of the Sierras. I do believe I recognize
a /real/ mountain when I see one.

You on the other hand are very gullible when it comes to
having your chain yanked.

I know a lot of folks who live in Bishop, California that don't know
squat about mountains and their effect on aircraft. You sound like one
of them.

Everett M. Greene wrote:
Sam Spade writes:

Everett M. Greene wrote:

Sam Spade writes:

Everett M. Greene wrote:


While you're at it, tell her that Collins exaggerates
greatly in that those overgrown hills back east aren't
mountains.

Hmmmm...I wonder why they're within the FAA's Eastern Designated
*Mountainous* Area then?

People in D.C. don't know what a mountain is?

I presume you're speaking of the FAA. Most of the technical stuff is
headquartered in OKC. And, yes, those folks know a whole lot about
mountains, terrain effect, altimeter errors, and so forth.


Okies have even less of an idea of what a mountain is.


I suspect it is you who don't have a firm grasp on what
constitutes mountainous terrain.


I spent a good portion of my life in Colorado and currently
live at the base of the Sierras. I do believe I recognize
a /real/ mountain when I see one.

I spent a year of my life in Alaska. In Alaska they have /real/
mountains, 16 peaks are higher than the highest Western US peak! Of
course, that's relative in size to Western and Eastern mountainous
areas. Other parts of the world have mountains that make US mountains
seem small in comparison. They can all create the same problems for
aviators, just in different levels of difficulty. If it's labeled a
mountain, you just have to treat it with respect!



JPH

JPH wrote:

Everett M. Greene wrote:


I presume you're speaking of the FAA. Most of the technical stuff is
headquartered in OKC. And, yes, those folks know a whole lot about
mountains, terrain effect, altimeter errors, and so forth.



Okies have even less of an idea of what a mountain is.


Not the Okies that work in the TERPs sections at the Okie Air Academy.

Sam Spade wrote:
JPH wrote:

Everett M. Greene wrote:



I presume you're speaking of the FAA. Most of the technical stuff
is headquartered in OKC. And, yes, those folks know a whole lot
about mountains, terrain effect, altimeter errors, and so forth.




Okies have even less of an idea of what a mountain is.


Not the Okies that work in the TERPs sections at the Okie Air Academy.

I didn't write any of the above lines.
This transplanted Okie knows a lot about both mountains and TERPs.

JPH