Aircraft manufacturers and their reputations

Mxsmanic wrote:

I wonder how Beech can sell it for that kinda dough when the
Eclipse is 150kt faster for $1.4M scratching head

That's one reason why I'm wondering about manufacturer reputations.

Mfr reputations have little to do with an apples-to-oranges comparison
between a piston twin and a jet

Kingfish,

The point
is that you can now buy a jet with an extra 150kt capability for 200k
more than a Baron.



I understand. I just wanted to present one possible explanation for the
traditionally very conservative pilot community. OTOH, I can't even
understand why anyone would buy a new 172 (except price), so I can
follow you.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Beech [Raytheon] are very good because of the attitude of
the management under Olive Ann Beech. If they drill a hole
in a sheet in the wrong spot, they get a new sheet, Cessna
puts a rivet in the hole.

Mooney has solid construction, but has had financial
trouble. TBM 750 was designed to be the "new" Mooney but
they didn't have the money at Mooney to build it.

Every company builds good and not so good airplanes. The
intended use, and who will use it may be a deciding factor.


Best workmanship I've ever seen on something less than a Gulfstream was a
Commander 114-TC. The exterior looked like it was composite it was so
smooth. The interior was like a Benz, BMW or Caddy (pick your biased
favorite).


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

"Kingfish" wrote in message
ups.com...

Mxsmanic wrote:

It must be gold-plated in real life if it costs $1.7 million. But
it's nice to fly in the sim.


Not sure where you got that figure from, Woodland Aviation is
advertising an '06 G58 for $1.26 million. I wonder how Beech can sell
it for that kinda dough when the Eclipse is 150kt faster for $1.4M
scratching head

Union labor force?

"Newps" wrote in message
. ..


Kingfish wrote:



Not sure where you got that figure from, Woodland Aviation is
advertising an '06 G58 for $1.26 million. I wonder how Beech can sell
it for that kinda dough when the Eclipse is 150kt faster for $1.4M
scratching head

The Eclipse will cost well north of $100K per year to operate, that's how
Beech sells Barons.

$600 an hour for 200 hours a year, yeah! A Beech or Baron at $200 (+/-) an
hour for 125 hours a year will certainly be less.

I wonder how many birds Beech sells to the crowd that can't qualify for a
Jet SP rating?

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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You also probably won't see an Eclipse for under $2 million delivered, by
the time one actually adds up the cost of a reasonable avionics package
and interior.

Hourly operating costs will likely be on the order of $800-1,000.

I read someplace that eclipse is expecting around $600 an hour.

What is the standard avionics package in the Eclipse?

"Kingfish" wrote in message
oups.com...

The fly-away price is 1.5M (projected cost from their website) Unlike
larger jets the Eclipse is not delivered green, and the avionics suite
is standard

Hourly operating costs will likely be on the order of $800-1,000.

Their figures are $372/hr based on 500hrs annual utilization. I think
those figures might prove to be conservative (salesmanship?) but I'd
guess the actual costs will be closer to their number instead of yours

What was Jet-A selling for when they ran the numbers?

$600 an hour for 200 hours a year, yeah! A Beech or Baron at $200 (+/-) an
hour for 125 hours a year will certainly be less.

Why did you also drop the number of hours per year?

"Costs less than more expensive items!"

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

All the avionics are included.



"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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| You also probably won't see an Eclipse for under $2
million delivered, by
| the time one actually adds up the cost of a reasonable
avionics package and
| interior.
|
| Hourly operating costs will likely be on the order of
$800-1,000.
|
|

They were nice airplanes. I wish they had gotten a 250 hp
twin version in production.Most comfortable cabin on the
market.


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| Beech [Raytheon] are very good because of the attitude
of
| the management under Olive Ann Beech. If they drill a
hole
| in a sheet in the wrong spot, they get a new sheet,
Cessna
| puts a rivet in the hole.
|
| Mooney has solid construction, but has had financial
| trouble. TBM 750 was designed to be the "new" Mooney
but
| they didn't have the money at Mooney to build it.
|
| Every company builds good and not so good airplanes.
The
| intended use, and who will use it may be a deciding
factor.
|
|
| Best workmanship I've ever seen on something less than a
Gulfstream was a
| Commander 114-TC. The exterior looked like it was
composite it was so
| smooth. The interior was like a Benz, BMW or Caddy (pick
your biased
| favorite).
|
|
| --
| Matt
| ---------------------
| Matthew W. Barrow
| Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
| Montrose, CO (MTJ)
|
|