Regs regarding "VFR flight following?" (also: "need to vent")

: I don't think you understand. Class C services are provided to all
: aircraft within the Class C airspace itself, and to all participating
: aircraft in the outer area associated with it. The outer area is not marked
: on the chart, it is normally the area within a twenty mile radius of the
: Class C primary airport and extends from the lower limits of radar/radio
: coverage up to the ceiling of the approach control's delegated airspace
: excluding the Class C charted area.

All right... so I'll admit that I was "participating" by calling them up and
accepting a squawk code. I was chosing NOT to participate when I requested
termination of radar services.... but he did not acknowledge that request. I would
have simply gone 1200, but in the back of my mind, I remember reading, "Transponders
should be set to 1200, unless ATC tells otherwise." I guess most pilots do what
they're told by ATC, and in most cases should do exactly that.

I remember once coming back from Florida over Charlotte, SC in a friend's
PA-24-250. We'd been slow-baking at 10,500 for about 3 hours without O2, so we were
probably both a bit hypoxic. We were going to go right over the top (top is at
10.5)... they "refused," saying we could go to 12500 if we wanted. Unable, so we were
vectored 20 miles out of our way. No I know the "correct" way to hand this would be
to terminate radar services.

-Cory


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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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I remember once coming back from Florida over Charlotte, SC in a friend's
PA-24-250. We'd been slow-baking at 10,500 for about 3 hours without O2, so we were
probably both a bit hypoxic. We were going to go right over the top (top is at
10.5)... they "refused," saying we could go to 12500 if we wanted. Unable, so we were
vectored 20 miles out of our way. No I know the "correct" way to hand this would be
to terminate radar services.

You were over the *top* of their airspace, and they vectored you 20
miles out of the way?

I'd have told them to pound salt. Politely, of course...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 10/27/06 13:59, Jay Honeck wrote:
I remember once coming back from Florida over Charlotte, SC in a friend's
PA-24-250. We'd been slow-baking at 10,500 for about 3 hours without O2, so we were
probably both a bit hypoxic. We were going to go right over the top (top is at
10.5)... they "refused," saying we could go to 12500 if we wanted. Unable, so we were
vectored 20 miles out of our way. No I know the "correct" way to hand this would be
to terminate radar services.

You were over the *top* of their airspace, and they vectored you 20
miles out of the way?

The way I read it, they weren't over the top, they were at the top. If they
flew over the top, they wouldn't have been at a legal VFR altitude.


I'd have told them to pound salt. Politely, of course...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"




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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

: You were over the *top* of their airspace, and they vectored you 20
: miles out of the way?

: I'd have told them to pound salt. Politely, of course...

Yep... at this point in time I wouldn't accept it either. At the time however, I was a green pilot flying a
friend's airplane, (with the friend right-seat) so I didn't know any better.

-Cory

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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

In article om,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

I remember once coming back from Florida over Charlotte, SC in a friend's
PA-24-250. We'd been slow-baking at 10,500 for about 3 hours without O2,
so we were
probably both a bit hypoxic. We were going to go right over the top (top
is at
10.5)... they "refused," saying we could go to 12500 if we wanted. Unable,
so we were
vectored 20 miles out of our way. No I know the "correct" way to hand this
would be
to terminate radar services.

You were over the *top* of their airspace, and they vectored you 20
miles out of the way?

I'd have told them to pound salt. Politely, of course...

500 above the top of a Class B is a pretty busy place. All those jets tend
to enter and exit the CBAS through the top. Depending on the arrival and
departure routes in use at the time, you may find yourself in the middle of
a very dense line of heavy metal.

Are you within your legal rights to blow off ATC's vector, squawk 1200, and
continue on your merry way fat, dumb, and happy? Sure you are. But legal
isn't always smart.

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...

500 above the top of a Class B is a pretty busy place. All those jets
tend to enter and exit the CBAS through the top. Depending on the
arrival and departure routes in use at the time, you may find yourself in
the middle of a very dense line of heavy metal.

Are you within your legal rights to blow off ATC's vector, squawk 1200,
and continue on your merry way fat, dumb, and happy? Sure you are.
But legal isn't always smart.


Is the controller acting within his legal authority when he initiates
vectoring of a VFR aircraft 500' above the top of a Class B?

wrote in message
...

I remember once coming back from Florida over Charlotte, SC in a
friend's PA-24-250. We'd been slow-baking at 10,500 for about 3 hours
without O2, so we were probably both a bit hypoxic. We were going to go
right over the top (top is at 10.5)... they "refused," saying we could go
to
12500 if we wanted. Unable, so we were vectored 20 miles out of our way.
No I know the "correct" way to hand this would be to terminate radar
services.


The top of Charlotte approach control airspace is 10,500 MSL? That's odd,
these things tend to be at IFR altitudes. In that situation 11,000 over
Charlotte approach airspace would be virtually unusable.

: 12500 if we wanted. Unable, so we were vectored 20 miles out of our way.
: No I know the "correct" way to hand this would be to terminate radar
: services.
:

: The top of Charlotte approach control airspace is 10,500 MSL? That's odd,
: these things tend to be at IFR altitudes. In that situation 11,000 over
: Charlotte approach airspace would be virtually unusable.

The top was 10,000. We were at 10,500 (almost due north, so VOR-VOR was sometimes even, sometimes odd...at
that point it was slightly west). At even 10,001 feet, we wouldn't have had to call them at all, but since we did we
got a 20 mile detour as a result.

-Cory


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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

The top was 10,000. We were at 10,500 (almost due north, so VOR-VOR was sometimes even, sometimes odd...at
that point it was slightly west). At even 10,001 feet, we wouldn't have had to call them at all, but since we did we
got a 20 mile detour as a result.

That's just absurd. You must've found a controller that was ****ed
about not being allowed to wear flip-flops to work...

ducking!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article . com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

That's just absurd. You must've found a controller that was ****ed
about not being allowed to wear flip-flops to work...

hey - the guy was professionally dressed, so he must have been
acting professionally, right?

also ducking

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Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate