Regs regarding "VFR flight following?" (also: "need to vent")

:
: When I looked all I found was "obey ATC instructions". That's sort of
: ambiguous when you are in a situation where you're not required to talk
: to ATC at all, but happen to be...
:

: Doesn't anyone read the AIM anymore?

: http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/AIM/Chap3/aim0302.html#3-2-4

Since I didn't (nor had no intention to) enter the Charlie, all I see that is relevant is:

d. Air Traffic Services. When two-way radio communications and radar contact are established, all participating VFR
aircraft a

1. Sequenced to the primary airport.

2. Provided Class C services within the Class C airspace and the outer area.

3. Provided basic radar services beyond the outer area on a workload permitting basis. This can be terminated by the
controller if workload dictates.

Once I stated, "I would like to terminate radar services," part d.2. is no longer relevant since I am no longer
participating.

-Cory


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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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Since I didn't (nor had no intention to) enter the Charlie, all I
see that is relevant is:

d. Air Traffic Services. When two-way radio communications and radar
contact are established, all participating VFR
aircraft a

1. Sequenced to the primary airport.

2. Provided Class C services within the Class C airspace and the outer
area.

3. Provided basic radar services beyond the outer area on a workload
permitting basis. This can be terminated by the
controller if workload dictates.

Once I stated, "I would like to terminate radar services," part
d.2. is no longer relevant since I am no longer
participating.


Exactly. Reading the relevant parts of the AIM would preclude wondering
what the rules are when given altitude restrictions while talking to
approach control above the Class C airspace.

: Once I stated, "I would like to terminate radar services," part
: d.2. is no longer relevant since I am no longer
: participating.
:

: Exactly. Reading the relevant parts of the AIM would preclude wondering
: what the rules are when given altitude restrictions while talking to
: approach control above the Class C airspace.

My own issue was in the termination part. When I told them I wanted to terminate radar services, the request
was ignored. When I inquired again whether he'd heard my request, he "denied" it by saying he was going to "keep me
with him until west of the airport."

That's why I was trying to find some sort of rules defining this situation. I guess as the pilot outside the
Charlie, I should have simply said, "Terminating radar services, squaking 1200, will remain clear the Charlie." I
didn't quite think of that at the time however.

-Cory

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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

wrote in message
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My own issue was in the termination part. When I told them I wanted to
terminate
radar services, the request was ignored. When I inquired again whether
he'd
heard my request, he "denied" it by saying he was going to "keep me
with him until west of the airport."

That's why I was trying to find some sort of rules defining this
situation. I guess
as the pilot outside the Charlie, I should have simply said, "Terminating
radar
services, squaking 1200, will remain clear the Charlie." I didn't quite
think of that
at the time however.


Bingo.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:21:09 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

That's why I was trying to find some sort of rules defining this situation. I guess as the pilot outside the
Charlie, I should have simply said, "Terminating radar services, squaking 1200, will remain clear the Charlie." I
didn't quite think of that at the time however.


First, let me say this is a great thread.

What I'm stuck on is the fact that you were already a participating
aircraft. Once participating ATC instructions need to be adhered to
(outlined in previous posts). What I can't get past is, once
participating can we just stop participating, or was our choice to
participate initially some sort of agreement to abide by the rules of
ATC as a participating aircraft until outside their area, or mutual
agreement to terminate services.

As you initially stated, it would be great to find something we can
read about this that would clarify.

z

"zatatime" wrote in message
...

First, let me say this is a great thread.

What I'm stuck on is the fact that you were already a participating
aircraft. Once participating ATC instructions need to be adhered to
(outlined in previous posts). What I can't get past is, once
participating can we just stop participating, or was our choice to
participate initially some sort of agreement to abide by the rules of
ATC as a participating aircraft until outside their area, or mutual
agreement to terminate services.

As you initially stated, it would be great to find something we can
read about this that would clarify.


Of course you can choose to stop participating. Why would you think
anything else? It would be no different than canceling IFR when the system
became more trouble than it was worth and continuing flight under VFR.