How do you find the limits of areas on a chart?

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BT

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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B A R R Y writes:

It's not so bad, so keep it in mind. I can only wallpaper so many walls
with old charts...

Just out of curiosity, how much do new charts cost, and how many do
you regularly replace as they expire?

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TLAR Navigation and pilotage..
I leave the plotter and the Whizwheel in the flight bag, that is for pre
mission planning.
After a career flying at 9nm/min and 500ft AGL, TALR Navigation works just
fine.
Yes, 9nm per minute is 540Knots.

You don't need a plotter to measure distance or direction.
Every VOR has a compass rose set to Magnetic north, estimate the direction
using that.
Finger lengths or knuckle lengths, learn what yours is.
Oh.. and if you have been taught correctly about charts.
Those lines on the chart used to measure latitude.. they have 1nm tick marks
on them.

Yes.. it is 60 nm from N35-00 to N36-00, regardless of the scale of the
chart.

BT

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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I see tons of restricted areas, MOAs, Class B, C, D, E airspace, and
the like on charts, but no clear indication of how to locate the
boundaries of these areas other than by pure guesstimate based on
looking at the chart. On rare occasions I see a radial noted as the
boundary of an area, or a radius, but in many cases there is nothing.
How in the world are you supposed to know when you are inside or
outside one of these areas, if you are not flying miles away from
them?

Yes, GPS units and some other devices may provide real-time display of
one's position with these areas superimposed, but such devices have
not always been available.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:

That depends on whether you are a competent pilot or not. But why do
you think it's necessary to "continually check them all"?

So that you always know where you are.

You don't think there are any ways to know where you are other than
*continually* checking them *all*?

rg

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:

You are mightily confused, my friend. The Turtle MOA is (mostly) in
California, not Arizona.

The chart I'm looking at covers Arizona more than California, it
seems.

Do you see Cadiz lake?

Sure, it's huge.

I can see why some people around here are getting fed up with you.

rg

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:12:54 -0800, Sylvain wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
What is a Wizwheel? It sounds almost like a slide rule.

it is. You have basically two main designs still in use,
the E6B style and the ones like the CR5; the difference is
mainly in the way you compute the wind triangles (I use
both, because I enjoy slide rules in general, but frankly,
the plain E6B is more intuitive IMHO; the CR models also
allow more complex computations, but for practical purposes
the plain ol' aluminum E6B works fine (and doesn't melt when
left on the dashboard);

Slide rules are obsolete now,

No they are not; well, ok, you are half right he they
are considered obsolte but it's a darn shame. You can spot
miles away engineers who did learn with slide rules from
those who didn't, but I digress.

Does anyone still use them for aviation?

I do; never runs out of batteries, always there, and easy
to use;

Seen this?

http://www.antiquark.com/sliderule/s...l-n909-es.html

Don

Don Tuite wrote:

Seen this?

http://www.antiquark.com/sliderule/s...l-n909-es.html

this is wrong on so many levels :-))

thanks for the link!

--Sylvain

"BT" wrote in
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you look at the chart
you look at the ground
you navigate by pilotage

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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I see tons of restricted areas, MOAs, Class B, C, D, E airspace, and
the like on charts, but no clear indication of how to locate the
boundaries of these areas other than by pure guesstimate based on
looking at the chart. On rare occasions I see a radial noted as the
boundary of an area, or a radius, but in many cases there is nothing.
How in the world are you supposed to know when you are inside or
outside one of these areas, if you are not flying miles away from
them?

Yes, GPS units and some other devices may provide real-time display of
one's position with these areas superimposed, but such devices have
not always been available.

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It seems that GPS is leading to MORE intrusions of restricted
airspace. There was a notice sent out by FAASafety.gov based on 19
incursions into to the Nellis Air Force Base restricted airspace so far
this year. This notice was sent out October 19th and again on November
1st. They mentioned that most of the restricted airspace incursions were
with aircraft on the Beatty/Tonopah VFR corridor.

Two sentences from this notice: "It appears airmen are failing to use
basic VFR navigation and map reading skills. Instead, in most
circumstances, they are using GPS devices to navigate to and from Las
Vegas, NV.".

I've only flown the Beaty/Tonopah VFR corridor once. It took about 15
seconds with the charts to learn that all I needed to do to avoid this
restricted airspace was to stay west of highway 95. There was no need to
have a GPS, loran, VOR, or ADF to avoid penetrating the multiple restricted
airspaces north of Nellis.

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Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

In real life, you don't need to hit buttons to look out the windows.

In a sim, you need to hit buttons to look out the windows.


In YOUR sim you need to hit buttons to look out the windows. There
are sims which do not have that drawback.

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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Kev" wrote in message
oups.com...
That's a good point. While you can pick out some landmarks on a sim
screen, it's very difficult to constantly rotate your view around and
get the spatial relationship that you can in real life.

A joystick with a POV hat-switch makes it pretty easy to look around.



It sure does, but I still don't get the spatial relationships I get in a
real cockpit. To be fair, I have one 21" monitor, not a sim-optimized
setup.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:


While MSFS has some great scenery especially around the larger urban areas
it isn't accurate enough to navigate by especially in non-urban areas.


MSFS has a large tree in the center of the final approach path to the
busiest runway on my home field. G

The main landmarks, a small lake, two large plazas, a main road, and a
large trailer park are missing.